[Lnc-business] Point of order regarding abstention and alternate voting

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I appeal from the ruling of the Chair.

In email votes how is this handled?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 4:11 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Not voting is not a vote. Everything else is commentary.
>
> Under Robert’s Rules, an abstention, express or otherwise, is not a vote.
> They may be noted for clarity, such as accurately reflecting that a member
> was present for the purposes of quorum, or that the member didn’t miss the
> vote, but they do not change the vote count and do not count for the
> calculations of 2/3 or 3/4 unless there is a particular rule that refers to
> the number of members in the committee or number of members in attendance.
> By default, vote thresholds are of members “present and voting.”
>
> A regional alternate does not get a vote except in the absence of a
> regional representative’s vote, by stepping away from the table at an
> in-person meeting or by abstaining in a mail ballot.
>
> In absence of a specific rule in the bylaws or policy manual about express
> abstentions (as opposed to custom or past practice), Mr. O’Donnell’s
> abstention does not count as a vote for either the purpose of how many
> votes are required to meet the 3/4 threshold or for preventing Mr. Lyons’
> vote from being counted as regional alternate and tallied.
>
> Yours truly,
> Nick
>
> P.S. If you would like to read more about the abstention issue, which is
> very commonly misunderstood, the following links may be of interest:
> http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#6
>
> https://www.lawoforderblog.com/2018/03/4-things-most-people-get-wrong-about-abstentions/
> https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Voting-Abstention

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