[Lnc-business] CORRECTED BALLOT 190214-3 : Appeal from Ruling of Chair

[Alicia Mattson]

I vote no.

I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Bishop-Henchman's line of argument.

JBH:  "O'Donnell did not vote and under our rules, the alternate vote
should substitute in when the regional doesn't vote...That may be past LNC
practice, but it is not support by Roberts or our Bylaws so the Chair's
ruling is correct."

Our bylaws do not say that the alternate's vote counts when the region rep
doesn't "vote".  Bylaw Article 13 says "Votes from alternates will be
counted, in accordance with previously defined ranked order, in the absence
of the corresponding committee member(s)."  It does not say, "...if the
corresponding committee member does not vote."

This is not a vote on what we believe Mr. O'Donnell's intention was in this
particular case.  It is a vote on what we believe is required by the rule.

Interpreting the rule differently would in some instances deprive the
regional rep of "dibs" on the regional decision.  If the regional rep
wished for the region to abstain, but the alternate wished for the region
to cast a vote, this would allow the alternate's decision to trump the
regional rep's decision to abstain.

If on the same email ballot, another region rep had chosen to expressly
abstain with the intention of overriding the alternate's vote, this ruling
would honor Mr. O'Donnell's intention but overturn the other region rep's
intention.

It may be tempting for some to vote based on what they wish the outcome to
be in this instance because they believe that Mr. O'Donnell meant to allow
his alternate to vote.  That is a slippery slope with a lot of danger at
the bottom.  If an idea which requires 2/3 support is put to a vote, and it
has majority but not 2/3 support, people who vote on appeals based on their
desired outcome rather than on the rule could essentially use an appeal of
a chair's ruling (that 2/3 is required for that motion) to do wrongfully
enact the idea with majority support but not 2/3 support.  We don't want
Congress to ignore the 2nd amendment because they just don't like guns.

-Alicia



On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:19 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Due to confusion in prior ballot - this is a corrected ballot.
>
> BALLOT 190214-3 : Appeal from Ruling of Chair
>
> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 21, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm
> Pacific time.
>
> Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
>
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>
> Motion: Shall the ruling of the Chair on Ballot 190203-1 [Immigration
> Resolution] that "no" vote of Regional Alternate Lyons should be counted
> after Regional Representative O'Donnell registered an unqualified express
> abstention with the result that the Resolution would change from PASS to
> FAIL be sustained?
>
> *A YES VOTE SUSTAINS THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.*
>
> *A NO VOTE OVERTURNS THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.*
>
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>
> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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