[Lnc-business] CORRECTED BALLOT 190214-3 : Appeal from Ruling of Chair

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

===This is not a vote on what we believe Mr. O'Donnell's intention was in
this
particular case.  It is a vote on what we believe is required by the
rule.===

Ms Mattson is correct and I think it’s a purposeful distortion of this
process to vote on desired outcome and not the rules we are all supposed to
honor.

There is a right way to do this and this isn’t it.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 11:09 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I vote no.
>
> I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Bishop-Henchman's line of argument.
>
> JBH:  "O'Donnell did not vote and under our rules, the alternate vote
> should substitute in when the regional doesn't vote...That may be past LNC
> practice, but it is not support by Roberts or our Bylaws so the Chair's
> ruling is correct."
>
> Our bylaws do not say that the alternate's vote counts when the region rep
> doesn't "vote".  Bylaw Article 13 says "Votes from alternates will be
> counted, in accordance with previously defined ranked order, in the absence
> of the corresponding committee member(s)."  It does not say, "...if the
> corresponding committee member does not vote."
>
> This is not a vote on what we believe Mr. O'Donnell's intention was in this
> particular case.  It is a vote on what we believe is required by the rule.
>
> Interpreting the rule differently would in some instances deprive the
> regional rep of "dibs" on the regional decision.  If the regional rep
> wished for the region to abstain, but the alternate wished for the region
> to cast a vote, this would allow the alternate's decision to trump the
> regional rep's decision to abstain.
>
> If on the same email ballot, another region rep had chosen to expressly
> abstain with the intention of overriding the alternate's vote, this ruling
> would honor Mr. O'Donnell's intention but overturn the other region rep's
> intention.
>
> It may be tempting for some to vote based on what they wish the outcome to
> be in this instance because they believe that Mr. O'Donnell meant to allow
> his alternate to vote.  That is a slippery slope with a lot of danger at
> the bottom.  If an idea which requires 2/3 support is put to a vote, and it
> has majority but not 2/3 support, people who vote on appeals based on their
> desired outcome rather than on the rule could essentially use an appeal of
> a chair's ruling (that 2/3 is required for that motion) to do wrongfully
> enact the idea with majority support but not 2/3 support.  We don't want
> Congress to ignore the 2nd amendment because they just don't like guns.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:19 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Due to confusion in prior ballot - this is a corrected ballot.
> >
> > BALLOT 190214-3 : Appeal from Ruling of Chair
> >
> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >
> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 21, 2019 at 11:59:59
> pm
> > Pacific time.
> >
> > Co-Sponsors:  Bilyeu, Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Mattson
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > Motion: Shall the ruling of the Chair on Ballot 190203-1 [Immigration
> > Resolution] that "no" vote of Regional Alternate Lyons should be counted
> > after Regional Representative O'Donnell registered an unqualified express
> > abstention with the result that the Resolution would change from PASS to
> > FAIL be sustained?
> >
> > *A YES VOTE SUSTAINS THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.*
> >
> > *A NO VOTE OVERTURNS THE RULING OF THE CHAIR.*
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> > https://tinyurl.com/lncvotes2019.  Votes are noted with a link to the
> > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
> manual
> > tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
> >
> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> > --
> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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