[Lnc-business] Questions to the Chair - Convention Voting Process Committee and Membership Committee votes

Sat Feb 23 17:32:02 EST 2019

Bumping this as I cannot release results until I get direction from the
Chair.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 3:02 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> We disagree.  I know it won't be the last time :)
>
> I am becoming fascinated in the areas where we strongly agree.  Your
> comment on the appeals issue hit it so on the head.
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 2:45 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Johnson was a nominated candidate, so it is in no way reasonable to
>> equate a what-if-Johnson-were-left-off with treating NOTA as the write-in
>> candidate that it was.  An emotional allegation, not based on the actual
>> rules, did not equate to an actual infringement on voter rights.
>>
>> So I cannot agree that this situation which does impact voter rights has
>> equal importance or shares principles with the situation you cited.  Apples
>> and oranges.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 1:01 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't reference it for equivalence of facts but understanding of
>>> importance.  We disagree a bit there on the impact of not having NOTA, as I
>>> argued at that time, no one would have shrugged and said "Oh, we left off
>>> Johnson, big deal, you can write him in."
>>>
>>> but the tldr; I get it, thus while I don't think there is any different
>>> outcome here, its the principle of the thing.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 1:57 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It does not matter for purposes of these elections, but since the 2016
>>>> NOTA
>>>> subject was referenced, I do want to distinguish that situation.  NOTA
>>>> was
>>>> not nominated in that election.  Nominated candidates are pre-printed on
>>>> the state tally sheets.  Our convention rules do not say that NOTA
>>>> shall be
>>>> automatically printed on the state tally sheets.  Our free-form-entry
>>>> ballots easily allow write-ins, and our rules merely say that if someone
>>>> does vote for NOTA, though it is an otherwise ineligible candidate, it
>>>> is
>>>> valid and will be handled in a particular way.  If NOTA is not
>>>> pre-printed
>>>> on the state tally sheet at convention, it in no way precludes a
>>>> delegate
>>>> from voting for NOTA because it can be written in.  I also did not
>>>> pre-print the thousands of other write-in options on the tally sheets,
>>>> yet
>>>> delegates were able to write-in other candidates as they pleased.
>>>>
>>>> In the current vote in question, OpaVote did not allow me to write-in
>>>> another candidate.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 12:18 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The test of our using the OpaVote system for a real election is done,
>>>> and I
>>>> > think fantastically useful revealing some easy pitfalls to avoid in
>>>> any
>>>> > future runs.
>>>> >
>>>> > Before I release the results, I need direction from the chair.
>>>> >
>>>> > 1.  A name was inadvertently not included on the ballot.  Ms. Mattson
>>>> voted
>>>> > for that applicant and I do not know if anyone else would have, but
>>>> for the
>>>> > inadvertance, and I am not sure that is the key question as I
>>>> remember how
>>>> > upset I got at the 2016 convention when NOTA was left off of a ballot
>>>> even
>>>> > though I had no intention of voting NOTA in that race.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. The ballot instructions were to pick up to nine.  That was not
>>>> > explicitly spelled out in the enabling motion but was my
>>>> interpretation of
>>>> > it in light of my intent in making it and the well over a handful of
>>>> > committees we had just populated in which we limited the choices.
>>>> >
>>>> > Depending on the chair's guidance on these two issues, it is
>>>> relatively
>>>> > trivial to correct.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >    - I can re-enter all the current ballots but use Ms. Mattson's
>>>> >    identified one including that excluded member.
>>>> >    - We can ask any member if they wish to add additional choices to
>>>> go
>>>> >    beyond nine (and include that excluded member if they wish) and I
>>>> > re-enter.
>>>> >    - We can restart on a fresh ballot with lessons learned and ask
>>>> everyone
>>>> >    to voluntarily get their votes in early.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Please let me know.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>>> >
>>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>>>> >
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>
>>> =========================================================================
>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>>
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>>>
>>
>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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