[Lnc-business] Questions to the Chair - Convention Voting Process Committee and Membership Committee votes

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

We disagree.  I know it won't be the last time :)

I am becoming fascinated in the areas where we strongly agree.  Your
comment on the appeals issue hit it so on the head.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 2:45 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
wrote:

> Johnson was a nominated candidate, so it is in no way reasonable to equate
> a what-if-Johnson-were-left-off with treating NOTA as the write-in
> candidate that it was.  An emotional allegation, not based on the actual
> rules, did not equate to an actual infringement on voter rights.
>
> So I cannot agree that this situation which does impact voter rights has
> equal importance or shares principles with the situation you cited.  Apples
> and oranges.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 1:01 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't reference it for equivalence of facts but understanding of
>> importance.  We disagree a bit there on the impact of not having NOTA, as I
>> argued at that time, no one would have shrugged and said "Oh, we left off
>> Johnson, big deal, you can write him in."
>>
>> but the tldr; I get it, thus while I don't think there is any different
>> outcome here, its the principle of the thing.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 1:57 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> It does not matter for purposes of these elections, but since the 2016
>>> NOTA
>>> subject was referenced, I do want to distinguish that situation.  NOTA
>>> was
>>> not nominated in that election.  Nominated candidates are pre-printed on
>>> the state tally sheets.  Our convention rules do not say that NOTA shall
>>> be
>>> automatically printed on the state tally sheets.  Our free-form-entry
>>> ballots easily allow write-ins, and our rules merely say that if someone
>>> does vote for NOTA, though it is an otherwise ineligible candidate, it is
>>> valid and will be handled in a particular way.  If NOTA is not
>>> pre-printed
>>> on the state tally sheet at convention, it in no way precludes a delegate
>>> from voting for NOTA because it can be written in.  I also did not
>>> pre-print the thousands of other write-in options on the tally sheets,
>>> yet
>>> delegates were able to write-in other candidates as they pleased.
>>>
>>> In the current vote in question, OpaVote did not allow me to write-in
>>> another candidate.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 12:18 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The test of our using the OpaVote system for a real election is done,
>>> and I
>>> > think fantastically useful revealing some easy pitfalls to avoid in any
>>> > future runs.
>>> >
>>> > Before I release the results, I need direction from the chair.
>>> >
>>> > 1.  A name was inadvertently not included on the ballot.  Ms. Mattson
>>> voted
>>> > for that applicant and I do not know if anyone else would have, but
>>> for the
>>> > inadvertance, and I am not sure that is the key question as I remember
>>> how
>>> > upset I got at the 2016 convention when NOTA was left off of a ballot
>>> even
>>> > though I had no intention of voting NOTA in that race.
>>> >
>>> > 2. The ballot instructions were to pick up to nine.  That was not
>>> > explicitly spelled out in the enabling motion but was my
>>> interpretation of
>>> > it in light of my intent in making it and the well over a handful of
>>> > committees we had just populated in which we limited the choices.
>>> >
>>> > Depending on the chair's guidance on these two issues, it is relatively
>>> > trivial to correct.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >    - I can re-enter all the current ballots but use Ms. Mattson's
>>> >    identified one including that excluded member.
>>> >    - We can ask any member if they wish to add additional choices to go
>>> >    beyond nine (and include that excluded member if they wish) and I
>>> > re-enter.
>>> >    - We can restart on a fresh ballot with lessons learned and ask
>>> everyone
>>> >    to voluntarily get their votes in early.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Please let me know.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
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>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
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>

-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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