[Lnc-business] Point of Inquiry - Article 7.6

Wed Mar 13 10:24:07 EDT 2019

Here is where I am at.  I smell a game, and I don’t appreciate being an
unwilling participant.

I intend to conduct my business precisely as I have and the Chair can rule
me out of Order.  I refuse to recognize that Brent and Phill have resigned
and suggest they refuse as well.

If there is a game being played here stop it.  I do not sacrifice my life
and treasure for this and consider political games to be a form of fraud
and a violation of our membership pledge.

Notice I said IF there is a game.  But my instincts are screaming there is
and if so count me out.  I will not play and do not consent.

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:03 AM Phil Anderson <phillip.anderson at lp.org>
wrote:

> The simplest thing to do is to acknowledge that this committee understands
> the concept of 'alternate', and that each region has one representative to
> the LNC and an alternate to that representative, and let that common sense
> and probably universal understanding guide interpretation of our bylaws. If
> there are facially conflicting bylaws, let's fix those at convention. This
> committee doesn't serve the bylaws, the bylaws serve the will and intent of
> the party as expressed in convention, and I don't think there is a dispute
> as to what the understanding and intent of the party are...
>
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> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:02 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business"
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you Alicia I had that in my list of nonsensical outcomes as well- and
>> say for instance on that suspension vote for Mr. Vohra - why were not the
>> alternates told they could and should vote at that e-meeting (even the
>> email vote) since it is the ENTIRE LNC mentioned.  I’m trying to remember
>> the opinion of those alternates but I’m fairly positive the outcome would
>> have been different.  I know region 1 would be miffed to know this since
>> both of my alternates were pro-suspension and Mr. Nielson wished to sponsor
>> Mr. McKnight’s initial motion.
>>
>> In fact I’m fairly certain if alts were members Mr. Vohra would have been
>> soundly removed.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:11 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Bylaws Article 13 provides that, "The chair or secretary shall send out
>> > electronic mail ballots on any question submitted by the chair or
>> > cosponsored by at least 1/5 of the members of the board or committee."
>> >
>> > Is it the chair's position that LNC alternates can co-sponsor email
>> > ballots?  And that rather than having 17 members of the LNC, we instead
>> > have 24 (while Region 1 is short an alternate)?  And that quorum is 13
>> > rather than 9?  And the 1/5-of-the-members email ballot threshold is 5
>> > rather than 4?  And a few other implications...
>> >
>> > Some of the alternates whose statuses are not challenged under this ruling
>> > should co-sponsor the appeal to see what happens...
>> >
>> > -Alicia
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:16 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I would note that I didn't discuss the policy manual at all.  My
>> > > analysis is based on the bylaws entirely.
>> > >
>> > > Specifically, Article 7.2 defines "members," and regional alternates
>> > > are "members" under that definition.
>> > >
>> > > The plain reading of Article 7.6 says there is an automatic vacancy if
>> > > a "member" misses two consecutive regular meetings.
>> > >
>> > > You may have more luck appealing the ruling if you can explain what is
>> > > incorrect of my reading of the bylaws.
>> > >
>> > > -Nick
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:19 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > >  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I would appeal that ruling of the Chair.  No policy manual change
>> > > defined them as full members.
>> > > >
>> > > > Will three people please co-sponsor this?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The relevant bylaws provision does appear to indicate that they have
>> > > >> vacated their seats automatically, though the past practice of this
>> > > >> board has not been to enforce that bylaws provision with regard to
>> > > >> Regional Alternates.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> There is at least a facially conflicting provision of the bylaws,
>> > > >> Article 7.8, "A National Committee Regional Representative or
>> > > >> Alternate may be removed and replaced only by the act of the affiliate
>> > > >> parties that constitute the subject region. The voting procedure for
>> > > >> the removal and replacement of regional representatives or alternates
>> > > >> shall be determined by the regions. In the absence of any such
>> > > >> procedures, a majority vote of the state chairs comprising the region
>> > > >> shall prevail."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> So we have 7.6 saying there is an automatic vacancy and 7.8 saying
>> > > >> that removal and replacement can only be done by the region.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The simplest thing to do if Mr. Anderson and Dr. Olsen are still
>> > > >> willing and able to serve would be for their regions to indicate that
>> > > >> they would like to reappoint them as alternates.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -Nick
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM Jeff Lyons
>> > wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Good afternoon,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >       Point of Inquiry, Mr. Chairman- Have Mr. Anderson and Mr.
>> > Olsen
>> > > now
>> > > >> > vacated their seats on the National Committee as a result of being
>> > > >> > absent from 2 consecutive regular LNC Meetings?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Reference- Bylaws Article 7.6: "A National Committee member who
>> > fails
>> > > to
>> > > >> > attend two consecutive regular sessions of the National Committee
>> > > shall
>> > > >> > be deemed to have vacated his or her seat. The appointing body shall
>> > > be
>> > > >> > free to reappoint the member who vacated the seat."
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > --
>> > > >> > In Liberty,
>> > > >> > Jeff Lyons
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Region 8 Alternate
>> > > >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>> > > >> > State Chair
>> > > >> > http://www.lpmass.org/join
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > >   In Liberty,
>> > > >
>> > > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>> > > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
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>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
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>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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