[Lnc-business] Point of Inquiry - Article 7.6

Wed Mar 13 10:30:01 EDT 2019

I withdraw my appeal.  I do not recognize a valid point of Order as there
is no business at hand and is the equivalent of false declaratory action.
If it is determined there was a valid point of Order this is my notice to
put it on the Austin agenda.

If I find out this is some political game I’m going to metaphorically blow
it up.

If there is not- and I’m imagining things, I proffer my abject apology.  I
jealously guard my limited time on this earth and deeply resent any of it
being wasted on third party games of thrones.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:24 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Here is where I am at.  I smell a game, and I don’t appreciate being an
> unwilling participant.
>
> I intend to conduct my business precisely as I have and the Chair can rule
> me out of Order.  I refuse to recognize that Brent and Phill have resigned
> and suggest they refuse as well.
>
> If there is a game being played here stop it.  I do not sacrifice my life
> and treasure for this and consider political games to be a form of fraud
> and a violation of our membership pledge.
>
> Notice I said IF there is a game.  But my instincts are screaming there is
> and if so count me out.  I will not play and do not consent.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:03 AM Phil Anderson <phillip.anderson at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> The simplest thing to do is to acknowledge that this committee
>> understands the concept of 'alternate', and that each region has one
>> representative to the LNC and an alternate to that representative, and let
>> that common sense and probably universal understanding guide interpretation
>> of our bylaws. If there are facially conflicting bylaws, let's fix those at
>> convention. This committee doesn't serve the bylaws, the bylaws serve the
>> will and intent of the party as expressed in convention, and I don't think
>> there is a dispute as to what the understanding and intent of the party
>> are...
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:02 AM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Alicia I had that in my list of nonsensical outcomes as well- and
>>> say for instance on that suspension vote for Mr. Vohra - why were not the
>>> alternates told they could and should vote at that e-meeting (even the
>>> email vote) since it is the ENTIRE LNC mentioned.  I’m trying to remember
>>> the opinion of those alternates but I’m fairly positive the outcome would
>>> have been different.  I know region 1 would be miffed to know this since
>>> both of my alternates were pro-suspension and Mr. Nielson wished to sponsor
>>> Mr. McKnight’s initial motion.
>>>
>>> In fact I’m fairly certain if alts were members Mr. Vohra would have been
>>> soundly removed.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:11 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Bylaws Article 13 provides that, "The chair or secretary shall send out
>>> > electronic mail ballots on any question submitted by the chair or
>>> > cosponsored by at least 1/5 of the members of the board or committee."
>>> >
>>> > Is it the chair's position that LNC alternates can co-sponsor email
>>> > ballots?  And that rather than having 17 members of the LNC, we instead
>>> > have 24 (while Region 1 is short an alternate)?  And that quorum is 13
>>> > rather than 9?  And the 1/5-of-the-members email ballot threshold is 5
>>> > rather than 4?  And a few other implications...
>>> >
>>> > Some of the alternates whose statuses are not challenged under this ruling
>>> > should co-sponsor the appeal to see what happens...
>>> >
>>> > -Alicia
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:16 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I would note that I didn't discuss the policy manual at all.  My
>>> > > analysis is based on the bylaws entirely.
>>> > >
>>> > > Specifically, Article 7.2 defines "members," and regional alternates
>>> > > are "members" under that definition.
>>> > >
>>> > > The plain reading of Article 7.6 says there is an automatic vacancy if
>>> > > a "member" misses two consecutive regular meetings.
>>> > >
>>> > > You may have more luck appealing the ruling if you can explain what is
>>> > > incorrect of my reading of the bylaws.
>>> > >
>>> > > -Nick
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:19 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > >  wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I would appeal that ruling of the Chair.  No policy manual change
>>> > > defined them as full members.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Will three people please co-sponsor this?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:52 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> The relevant bylaws provision does appear to indicate that they have
>>> > > >> vacated their seats automatically, though the past practice of this
>>> > > >> board has not been to enforce that bylaws provision with regard to
>>> > > >> Regional Alternates.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> There is at least a facially conflicting provision of the bylaws,
>>> > > >> Article 7.8, "A National Committee Regional Representative or
>>> > > >> Alternate may be removed and replaced only by the act of the affiliate
>>> > > >> parties that constitute the subject region. The voting procedure for
>>> > > >> the removal and replacement of regional representatives or alternates
>>> > > >> shall be determined by the regions. In the absence of any such
>>> > > >> procedures, a majority vote of the state chairs comprising the region
>>> > > >> shall prevail."
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> So we have 7.6 saying there is an automatic vacancy and 7.8 saying
>>> > > >> that removal and replacement can only be done by the region.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> The simplest thing to do if Mr. Anderson and Dr. Olsen are still
>>> > > >> willing and able to serve would be for their regions to indicate that
>>> > > >> they would like to reappoint them as alternates.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> -Nick
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM Jeff Lyons
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Good afternoon,
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> >       Point of Inquiry, Mr. Chairman- Have Mr. Anderson and Mr.
>>> > Olsen
>>> > > now
>>> > > >> > vacated their seats on the National Committee as a result of being
>>> > > >> > absent from 2 consecutive regular LNC Meetings?
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Reference- Bylaws Article 7.6: "A National Committee member who
>>> > fails
>>> > > to
>>> > > >> > attend two consecutive regular sessions of the National Committee
>>> > > shall
>>> > > >> > be deemed to have vacated his or her seat. The appointing body shall
>>> > > be
>>> > > >> > free to reappoint the member who vacated the seat."
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > --
>>> > > >> > In Liberty,
>>> > > >> > Jeff Lyons
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Region 8 Alternate
>>> > > >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jly
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Libertarian Assoc. of MA
>>> > > >> > State Chair
>>> > > >> > http://www.lpmass.org/join
>>> > > >
>>> > > > --
>>> > > >
>>> > > >   In Liberty,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -
>>> > > Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > > > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia at LP.org
>>> > > > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>>> > > >
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>>> --
>>>
>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org  or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page atfacebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>
>>> =========================================================================
>>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
>>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>>
>>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org *
>>> =========================================================================
>>>
>>> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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