[Lnc-business] Resolution Condemning Conversion Therapies

Fri Apr 12 17:22:59 EDT 2019

I don’t see where he has agreed to my wording

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:14 PM Richard Longstreth <
richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:

> I believe Lyons as well.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
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> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 11:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I sponsor.
>>
>> So we have me, Phillips, Longstreth
>>
>> Mr Smith can you agree to this one?  Or Mr Merced?
>>
>> I’m at the AR convention so might be a little slow
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > *Mr Lyons.  Sorry Jeff, trying to go to fast.
>> >
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:22 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > She did, and she also helped Mr Lynch with his.
>> >
>> > Absolutely.  Safe Travels.
>> >
>> > Here is Ms Harlos' tweaked alternate proposal.
>> >
>> >
>> > "WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party asserts that all individuals have the
>> > right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the
>> right to
>> > live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly
>> > interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they
>> > choose;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS while children have not reached sufficient maturity to be the
>> full
>> > custodian of their rights which are entrusted to their parents or
>> > guardians, their rights to bodily integrity and personal identification
>> of
>> > their growing awareness of who they are inalienable and coerced action
>> that
>> > would fundamentally deny these rights is abusive;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their
>> > children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided that the
>> > rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also protected;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, conversion therapy has been used in the past as a form of
>> > punishment for homosexuality and gender identity which does not conform
>> to
>> > traditional expectations; and the rights to gender and sexual identity
>> are
>> > fundamental rights;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, this conversion therapy has it's roots in unethical treatment
>> > used since the 70's in issues such as drug use, psychiatric disorders,
>> and
>> > learning disabilities, that describe humiliation, sleep deprivation,
>> sexual
>> > abuse, starvation, and isolation as "treatment techniques", methods
>> that in
>> > any other pursuit are considered cruel and unusual punishment and
>> torture;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, children are often subjected to this type of therapy against
>> > their will, even by loving and well-intentioned parents who are unaware
>> > that the methods used in conversion therapy are extremely forceful and
>> > abusive;
>> >
>> > WHEREAS, any therapy similar to this has been shown to result in suicide
>> > attempts by 20% of these patients: a five-fold increase in the risk of
>> > suicide attempts compared to other teens, increases that are the same as
>> > other victims of repeated abuse, an increased risk that continues
>> through
>> > later life;
>> >
>> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that therapy modeled off these abusive
>> > institutions, protected and/or funded by the State, constitutes consumer
>> > fraud and forceful abuse, which the Libertarian Party opposes.
>> >
>> > FURTHER, BE IT RESOLVED, the Libertarian Party opposes subjecting
>> > unwilling participants through force or coercion, especially children,
>> to
>> > any therapy that violates the non-aggression principle through any
>> method
>> > that would be considered abuse or torture."
>> >
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Ms Lynch approved enthusiastically of the one I proposed.  Mr. Phillips,
>> > I’m in a plane right to - can you post mine for consideration.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'd be open to broadening the scope to include things that Ms. Lynch,
>> whom
>> > is an expert, wished to be included but I also want a resolution that is
>> > specific and impactful in creating conversations with young rebellious
>> > future Libertarian voters.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks again John.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Get Outlook for Android
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:21 PM -0400, "John Phillips" <
>> > john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would support and co-sponsor EITHER resolution. The one Mr Lyons and I
>> > worked on, or the one Ms Harlos authored and I tweaked just a bit.  Both
>> > are good, both address the needs in different ways, with different pros
>> and
>> > cons.
>> > The short answer is that this type of "therapy" is absolutely negative
>> and
>> > torturous to those forced into it.  We should 100% be against both
>> torture
>> > and force, and are, so lets find a way to make this work.
>> > Perhaps Ms Harlos would share hers here for more discussion?
>> > I do not find the two mutually exclusive, and think even a combination
>> > would work, tho perhaps be overly long.
>> > I know Ms Lynch has helped with both, and her input is more than
>> welcome.
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>>
> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>> >
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>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
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*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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