[Lnc-business] Resolution Condemning Conversion Therapies

Fri Apr 12 18:31:37 EDT 2019

Time stamp 1037 today in this thread.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 14:22 Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I don’t see where he has agreed to my wording
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:14 PM Richard Longstreth <
> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I believe Lyons as well.
>>
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 931.538.9300
>>
>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 11:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I sponsor.
>>>
>>> So we have me, Phillips, Longstreth
>>>
>>> Mr Smith can you agree to this one?  Or Mr Merced?
>>>
>>> I’m at the AR convention so might be a little slow
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > *Mr Lyons.  Sorry Jeff, trying to go to fast.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John Phillips
>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:22 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > She did, and she also helped Mr Lynch with his.
>>> >
>>> > Absolutely.  Safe Travels.
>>> >
>>> > Here is Ms Harlos' tweaked alternate proposal.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party asserts that all individuals have the
>>> > right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the
>>> right to
>>> > live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly
>>> > interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner
>>> they
>>> > choose;
>>> >
>>> > WHEREAS while children have not reached sufficient maturity to be the
>>> full
>>> > custodian of their rights which are entrusted to their parents or
>>> > guardians, their rights to bodily integrity and personal
>>> identification of
>>> > their growing awareness of who they are inalienable and coerced action
>>> that
>>> > would fundamentally deny these rights is abusive;
>>> >
>>> > WHEREAS, parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their
>>> > children according to their own standards and beliefs, provided that
>>> the
>>> > rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect are also
>>> protected;
>>> >
>>> > WHEREAS, conversion therapy has been used in the past as a form of
>>> > punishment for homosexuality and gender identity which does not
>>> conform to
>>> > traditional expectations; and the rights to gender and sexual identity
>>> are
>>> > fundamental rights;
>>> >
>>> > WHEREAS, this conversion therapy has it's roots in unethical treatment
>>> > used since the 70's in issues such as drug use, psychiatric disorders,
>>> and
>>> > learning disabilities, that describe humiliation, sleep deprivation,
>>> sexual
>>> > abuse, starvation, and isolation as "treatment techniques", methods
>>> that in
>>> > any other pursuit are considered cruel and unusual punishment and
>>> torture;
>>> >
>>> > WHEREAS, children are often subjected to this type of therapy against
>>> > their will, even by loving and well-intentioned parents who are unaware
>>> > that the methods used in conversion therapy are extremely forceful and
>>> > abusive;
>>> >
>>> > WHEREAS, any therapy similar to this has been shown to result in
>>> suicide
>>> > attempts by 20% of these patients: a five-fold increase in the risk of
>>> > suicide attempts compared to other teens, increases that are the same
>>> as
>>> > other victims of repeated abuse, an increased risk that continues
>>> through
>>> > later life;
>>> >
>>> > THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that therapy modeled off these abusive
>>> > institutions, protected and/or funded by the State, constitutes
>>> consumer
>>> > fraud and forceful abuse, which the Libertarian Party opposes.
>>> >
>>> > FURTHER, BE IT RESOLVED, the Libertarian Party opposes subjecting
>>> > unwilling participants through force or coercion, especially children,
>>> to
>>> > any therapy that violates the non-aggression principle through any
>>> method
>>> > that would be considered abuse or torture."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John Phillips
>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >
>>> > On Apr 12, 2019 12:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ms Lynch approved enthusiastically of the one I proposed.  Mr.
>>> Phillips,
>>> > I’m in a plane right to - can you post mine for consideration.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'd be open to broadening the scope to include things that Ms. Lynch,
>>> whom
>>> > is an expert, wished to be included but I also want a resolution that
>>> is
>>> > specific and impactful in creating conversations with young rebellious
>>> > future Libertarian voters.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks again John.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Jeff
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Get Outlook for Android
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:21 PM -0400, "John Phillips" <
>>> > john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I would support and co-sponsor EITHER resolution. The one Mr Lyons and
>>> I
>>> > worked on, or the one Ms Harlos authored and I tweaked just a bit.
>>> Both
>>> > are good, both address the needs in different ways, with different
>>> pros and
>>> > cons.
>>> > The short answer is that this type of "therapy" is absolutely negative
>>> and
>>> > torturous to those forced into it.  We should 100% be against both
>>> torture
>>> > and force, and are, so lets find a way to make this work.
>>> > Perhaps Ms Harlos would share hers here for more discussion?
>>> > I do not find the two mutually exclusive, and think even a combination
>>> > would work, tho perhaps be overly long.
>>> > I know Ms Lynch has helped with both, and her input is more than
>>> welcome.
>>> >
>>> > John Phillips
>>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>>
>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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>>> >
>>> > --
>>>
>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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>> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
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> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
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