[Lnc-business] Website/twitter concern

Thu Jun 27 09:02:25 EDT 2019

Are we going to waste everyone's time with endless motions to 
micromanage the LP's social media or is this
a situation that can be easily handled by the Chair and/or ED?

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Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell

On 2019-06-27 08:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Alright, if we get another we can tweak wording but i suggesting
> 
> Move that the “silence is consent” tweet be deleted from the national
> twitter feed and that the source webpage on LP.org be removed pending
> revision by the Executive Director who will submit to the LNC for final
> approval and amendment.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 5:57 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes
>> 
>> 
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2019 1:53 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The motion I am considering would include
>> 1. Deleting the tweet
>> 2. Directing the Executive Director to rewrite that text on the page 
>> and
>> submit to the LNC for final approval/amendments.  I would normally say
>> submit to APRC but since we have decided it is a black hole from which 
>> no
>> information can emit and members deserve to be privy to the resolution 
>> on
>> this, the LNC it is.
>> 
>> I am not inclined to support any kind of forced apology.    It is a
>> difference of opinion and there is no malice.  Forced apologies are
>> generally useless.  I just would like to have this corrected.  I have 
>> zero
>> interest in a pound of flesh.  This is about party messaging not any 
>> kind
>> of sin of moral turpitude.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 11:35 PM Joshua Smith <joshua.smith at lp.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will certainly co sponsor.
>> 
>> -Joshua
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2019 10:11 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Would anyone like to co-sponsor a motion on this?  I don't want to 
>> waste
>> our time if there is not support.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:40 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > My personal inbox is flooded with similar.
>> >
>> > It absolutely needs to be addressed.  ASAP, and honestly an apology and
>> > clarification posted.  Volunteers make mistakes, shit happens, not
>> saying
>> > we need to come down on anyone, but the if we don't address it
>> immediately
>> > shit is not just happening, we are stepping in it barefoot.
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Jun 26, 2019 11:24 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > From a member, reposted with permission:
>> >
>> > Caryn Ann,
>> > I saw today that LPnational made a tweet stating that silence is
>> consent.
>> > The overall point of fighting back against the status quo is admirable,
>> > but
>> > SILENCE IS NOT CONSENT!
>> >
>> > I saw a screenshot, so I googled it, and it turns out the same phrasing
>> is
>> > on LP.org in the FAQ. Which is probably where the social media person
>> got
>> > it.
>> >
>> > This is unacceptable wording to any libertarian for obvious reasons, and
>> > politically disasterous messaging.
>> >
>> > I hope this issue is dealt with swiftly and as delicately as possible. I
>> > don't believe anyone at National actually believes what the tweet or faq
>> > stated.
>> >
>> > I would suggest replacing it with "In order for evil to flourish good
>> men
>> > must do nothing" or something along those lines.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Elijah
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:53 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I am hoping someone can tell me when this was approved in the first
>> > > place.  The website was completely redone while I was on the APRC and
>> > > everything was put back before the APRC for review.  I don't recall
>> this
>> > > being one of them. That was a crazy time so I could have missed it but
>> I
>> > > also went back and searched through my APRC archive and I don't see
>> it,
>> > but
>> > > then again, I know that some of that stuff was posted as links and not
>> > text
>> > > so word search is not entirely reliable.
>> > >
>> > > My point is, if that was not approved by APRC it should not be up
>> until
>> > > done so.  I can't imagine that was approved by APRC.  But then again,
>> > hail
>> > > satan on easter escaped our notice.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 7:38 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I agree. It's a terrible message and should be removed.
>> > >>
>> > >> The tweet too..
>> > >>
>> > >> -Joshua
>> > >>
>> > >> On Jun 26, 2019 2:14 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Agreed.
>> > >>
>> > >> John Phillips
>> > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > >> Cell 217-412-5973
>> > >>
>> > >> On Jun 26, 2019 3:50 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> There was a tweet that went out saying silence is consent but it’s
>> not
>> > >> original to the tweeter - it’s from our website, and members have
>> been
>> > >> complaining and I think they are absolutely right.
>> > >>
>> > >> Can that page be pulled pending APRC review?
>> > >>
>> > >> I don’t recall that page ever coming up for review in the first place
>> > but
>> > >> I’m old and can miss things.
>> > >>
>> > >> See attached.
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > >> *  In Liberty,*
>> > >>
>> > >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> > >> Caryn.Ann.
>> > >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> > >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> > >> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> > >> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism *
>> Re-Legalize
>> > >> All
>> > >> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws
>> *
>> > >> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *
>> End
>> > >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the
>> Income
>> > >> Tax
>> > >> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>> > >> Services
>> > >> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector
>> *
>> > >> Eliminate Regulation *
>> > >>
>> > >> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <
>> > http://www.lp.org/>*
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > *  In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> > Caryn.Ann.
>> > > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> > > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> > > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> > > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> > All
>> > > Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws
>> *
>> > > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *
>> End
>> > > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
>> > Tax
>> > > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>> > Services
>> > > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> > > Eliminate Regulation *
>> > >
>> > > *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <
>> > http://www.lp.org/>*
>> > >
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> > Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> >
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> > Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All
>> > Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
>> Tax
>> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
>> Services
>> > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> > Eliminate Regulation *
>> >
>> > *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <
>> http://www.lp.org/>*
>> >
>> >
>> =========================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> *  In Liberty,*
>> 
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> 
>> =========================================================================
>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize 
>> All
>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws 
>> *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * 
>> End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income 
>> Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency 
>> Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>> 
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org 
>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
>> 
>> =========================================================================
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> *  In Liberty,*
>> 
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- 
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>> 
>> =========================================================================
>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize 
>> All
>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws 
>> *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * 
>> End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income 
>> Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency 
>> Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>> 
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org 
>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
>> =========================================================================
>> 
>> 
>> --
> 
> *  In Liberty,*
> 
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- 
> Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> 
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize 
> All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income 
> Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency 
> Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
> 
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org 
> <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================