[Lnc-business] Fwd: Goodbye to a valued colleague.

Elizabeth Van Horn elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org
Mon Jul 1 14:38:37 EDT 2019 

Oh, and the criteria for exit interviews is probably something our ED 
should draw-up.  The LNC could make suggestions, but not be the creators 
of the policy.  (Maybe a collaborative effort, to make the initial exit 
interview policy, but I don't think the LNC needs to become an HR 
department. : )



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Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)


On 2019-07-01 14:33, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> Yes. I personally wouldn't direct a request to the Chair.  I'd ask
> Lauren.  Then go with what she prefers.
> 
> This also raises the issue that Joe mentioned about good HR policy. LP
> national should have a policy in place for exit interviews.  We don't
> currently have an HR person/department.  But, we can have a policy in
> place that would create exit interview criteria. For future situations.
> 
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> 
> On 2019-07-01 14:25, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> 
>> Elizabeth (I remembered!), I always said IF Lauren consents.  If she 
>> doesn't, next issue.  We agree.
>> 
>> I'll ask Lauren if she consents.  She's the boss here.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:14 PM Elizabeth Van Horn 
>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll also be blunt.  It doesn't matter what the LNC Chair says.
>>> 
>>> Lauren has already stated:  "I think the EPCC is the best entity to
>>> conduct an exit interview and I would prefer that they do it."
>>> 
>>> Caryn Ann, you then responded and said:  "...It is your wishes I want 
>>> to
>>> respect..."
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> 
>>> On 2019-07-01 13:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> When you get your AARP letter then you have arrived!  I'm officially
>>>> old
>>>> rather than older.  I'm looking forward to retiring and yelling at 
>>>> kids
>>>> if
>>>> their parents would ever let them out anymore.
>>>> 
>>>> And there's no extra pay.  Not enough double.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't need to justify why no, what I describe is not accomplished 
>>>> in
>>>> that
>>>> way.
>>>> 
>>>> I request to be present.  If the chair wants to discuss with me why
>>>> it's
>>>> different, I welcome his call.
>>>> 
>>>> If the chair  wants to deny my request he may and I request that an
>>>> explanation accompany any such denial.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:37 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman <
>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I've just mentally recorded that today at age 38 is when I am first
>>>>> described as an older man. Time marches on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I'm being treated like an officer, it's news to me. I haven't
>>>>> spoken
>>>>> to Nick in weeks. Though I will today.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You chose to be blunt, and I will be blunt as well. What you are
>>>>> describing can be accomplished by a conversation between you and 
>>>>> Ms.
>>>>> Daugherty. That's up to you and her. And if you have a reputation 
>>>>> for
>>>>> sensitivity about sensitive matters, finding the truth without
>>>>> distortions, and putting long-term change ahead of short-term gain,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> a no-brainer to happen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> JBH
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------
>>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2019-07-01 12:13, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>> Trial?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me be blunt.  I want to be present for the interview if Ms.
>>>>>> Daugherty consents.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With all due respect, a group of older men with no female presence
>>>>>> wanting honest feedback on why we lost such a valuable woman 
>>>>>> employee
>>>>>> is foolish.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> After all the pomp and circumstance and forms and and trappings 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> followed, I just want to know what happened - human connection to
>>>>>> human connection.  Human connections are not neat and tidy and 
>>>>>> bound
>>>>>> with a bow.  Sanitized plastic doesn't help me as an alleged 
>>>>>> officer
>>>>>> know what happened.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mr. Bishop-Henchman I respect the heck out of you but our chair 
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> made you a de facto officer ahead of the people actually elected 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> those roles.   His preference may be better than the delegates but
>>>>>> that's not what they chose and I value your input but I'm done
>>>>>> with gatekeepers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want to be present.  Simple as that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:11 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman via 
>>>>>> Lnc-business
>>>>>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My understanding of the best practice for exit interviews is that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> occur for all departing employees, and that they be done by an HR
>>>>>>> professional, preferably one as far removed from the direct
>>>>>>> supervisor
>>>>>>> as possible. Then a couple things can happen. Management or the
>>>>>>> Board
>>>>>>> can get a full copy, or a summarized one. Or the HR person can
>>>>>>> distill
>>>>>>> the conversation into actionable recommendations and convey 
>>>>>>> those.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> latter usually gets more candidness from the departing employee, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> produces something useful to do. Because they are sanitized and
>>>>>>> translated, they can be more opaque as to *why* something is a
>>>>>>> recommendation, which can be a pro or a con depending on how you
>>>>>>> look at
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Exit interviews are totally uncomfortable for management but it's
>>>>>>> important they happen because otherwise managers will assume 
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> about why an employee leaves rather than knowing. I have gotten
>>>>>>> useful
>>>>>>> information on how to improve how I am as a manager from every 
>>>>>>> exit
>>>>>>> interview or how I communicate what we do and structure how we do
>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> even ones from awful people who did terrible work (which is
>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>> not the case here!).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I also seriously doubt we would get useful and actionable
>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>> from an "exit interview" in front of the full Board, even in 
>>>>>>> closed
>>>>>>> session. No one does that. That's a show trial.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> JBH
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>>>>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>>>>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1] [1]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2019-06-30 12:53, brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>> I concur Ms. Mattson.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Brent
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2019-06-30 01:42, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I would object to subjecting Lauren to a 17-person exit 
>>>>>>>>> interview
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>> our limited meeting time together in Austin.  That experience
>>>>>>> might go
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> her list of things she wants to talk about during her exit
>>>>>>>>> interview...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think the EPCC is the appropriate body to conduct an exit
>>>>>>> interview,
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> our policy manual says they "shall also be available to Staff 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> discuss on
>>>>>>>>> a confidential basis the working environment."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
> 
> 
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