[Lnc-business] Proposed

Sat Jul 6 23:17:35 EDT 2019

Mr. Fishman, was this agenda item of a paid chair in your vision part of
the interview?  This is absolutely no issue with that being an earnest goal
but does raise concerns for me about inadvertent bias and whether the chair
seeing that there could be a financial benefit for themselves should have
brought the LNC on that decision.

I greatly regret that you have to deal with our internal political
struggles.  My concerns have nothing ultimately to do with you.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:13 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Mr. Fishman, I’m understandably gunshy  about the not afraid to fail.
> That same line was used to pass a $250K budget deficit nearly unanimously
> (IIRC Starchild and I did not support, Ms. Mattson was prevented by weather
> from being there but made it clear she would not have).
>
> Yes we do need to be afraid to fail with other people’s money.
>
> None of my objections though have been financial.  I don’t even get to
> that point.  The checks and balances are already both institutionally and
> functionally deficient.  This would make it permanent.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:08 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Elizabeth, everyone can go re-read the discussions for themselves.  Your
>> characterization is not accurate.
>>
>> I think we can both agree without arguing that a paid salary is world’s
>> above membership t-shirts that were made open to everyone (and as far as I
>> am aware no one took Wes up on it).  This is by nature completely unique
>> and cannot be made level.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the LP. It was
>>> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen when we
>>> had
>>> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented itself now
>>> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we are
>>> talking
>>> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never elected
>>> a
>>> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
>>>
>>> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level decision, but
>>> one
>>> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the financial
>>> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
>>>
>>> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not fear
>>> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are failing. This
>>> is
>>> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect to be
>>> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
>>> includes
>>> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate the
>>> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next attempt.
>>>
>>> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively minimum
>>> risk
>>> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am asking to
>>> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as a
>>> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would reverberate till
>>> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every future
>>> LNC
>>> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope) will
>>> lead
>>> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have essentially
>>> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
>>>
>>> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you if you
>>> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC first. I have
>>> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would indeed
>>> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel of your
>>> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract should one
>>> be offered?
>>>
>>> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
>>> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As such the
>>> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to see if it
>>> increases our revenue.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Daniel Fishman
>>> Executive Director
>>> The Libertarian Party
>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 3:45 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > It is already all of our jobs to fundraise.  Pay expenses? Certainly.
>>> > Salary?  No.
>>> >
>>> > I volunteer - expenses only.
>>> >
>>> > Seriously after the shitstorm last year for legitimate fundraising
>>> it’s all
>>> > of a sudden different because it’s Nick and with salary?  I was in
>>> danger
>>> > of (ridiculously) of bribing votes with t-shirts but this is okay?
>>> >
>>> > Is Nick re-running?  Would there be no using of a salaried position to
>>> > influence internal politics?
>>> >
>>> > I’ll say it right now, then every chair candidate must be given equal
>>> > opportunity.
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:20 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I think other people said that more recently than I, its been a few
>>> > months
>>> > > since I did 😂, tho I hinted at it.
>>> > >
>>> > > Well thought out as always.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > John Phillips
>>> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> > > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> > >
>>> > > On Jul 6, 2019 12:59 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > I guess Mr. Fishman's honeymoon period is over!
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm willing to hear out our ED and not shoot it down immediately, but
>>> > > for my part I will need a lot more details when we consider it. If
>>> we're
>>> > > hiring a contractor, I want to know precisely what tasks the
>>> contractor
>>> > > will be doing on at least a quarterly basis if not a monthly or
>>> weekly
>>> > > basis, and how (and who) will be actively monitoring progress and
>>> > > adjusting based on the results.
>>> > >
>>> > > I will also need to review the information addressing whether this
>>> > > violates the Bylaws or common past understandings of the role of the
>>> > > Chair or LNC members.
>>> > >
>>> > > This contractor-who-knows-us approach would be preferable, in my
>>> view,
>>> > > to hiring a commission fundraiser who knows little about us and
>>> > > therefore will be ineffective at securing major donors willing to
>>> invest
>>> > > long-term with us. In-person telemarketing, which is effectively what
>>> > > that is, can be effective for raising money quickly, but only at
>>> > > enormous expense (as a percent of dollar raised), great risk of
>>> > > misrepresentation, and at the expense of a continuing relationship.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ideally we need to construct a fundraising department, essentially
>>> from
>>> > > scratch now. We have two main donor audiences - major donors and
>>> small
>>> > > dollar donors - and each of them needs attention as to their
>>> > > prospecting/qualification/opening doors, asking/closing, and
>>> > > stewardship/cultivation. That's essentially six completely different
>>> > > skills (2 audiences times 3 jobs each) and we can't have one person
>>> do
>>> > > all of it and expect them to do better than Lauren could. We also
>>> can't
>>> > > hire six people, so the answer is going to be a mix of LNC members,
>>> the
>>> > > ED, staff, and contractors.
>>> > >
>>> > > If we're going to get to a place where we are raising millions of
>>> > > dollars or more each year, building a fundraising department is an
>>> > > essential second step. (The first step is doing exciting things
>>> donors
>>> > > want to support, or at least proposing to focus on those things. On
>>> that
>>> > > part, I'd like to invite Apollo to the next Board meeting and tell us
>>> > > what he has up his sleeves.) If what Mr. Fishman proposes is a step
>>> in
>>> > > that direction, I'm more inclined to support it. If not, not.
>>> > >
>>> > > As Mr. Phillips I think noted, if we say no to everything and propose
>>> > > nothing we will quickly realize in a bad way how important
>>> fundraising
>>> > > is.
>>> > >
>>> > > JBH
>>> > >
>>> > > ------------
>>> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
>>> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>> > >
>>> > > On 2019-07-05 16:50, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > > > Then lets get hiring.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> >
>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>>> >
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>>>
>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
>> =========================================================================
>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
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> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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