[Lnc-business] Proposed

Sat Jul 6 23:20:45 EDT 2019

I concur looking forward to hearing from
Mr. Pazell,

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:17 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Mr. Fishman, was this agenda item of a paid chair in your vision part of
> the interview?  This is absolutely no issue with that being an earnest goal
> but does raise concerns for me about inadvertent bias and whether the chair
> seeing that there could be a financial benefit for themselves should have
> brought the LNC on that decision.
>
> I greatly regret that you have to deal with our internal political
> struggles.  My concerns have nothing ultimately to do with you.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:13 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Mr. Fishman, I’m understandably gunshy  about the not afraid to fail.
>> That same line was used to pass a $250K budget deficit nearly unanimously
>> (IIRC Starchild and I did not support, Ms. Mattson was prevented by weather
>> from being there but made it clear she would not have).
>>
>> Yes we do need to be afraid to fail with other people’s money.
>>
>> None of my objections though have been financial.  I don’t even get to
>> that point.  The checks and balances are already both institutionally and
>> functionally deficient.  This would make it permanent.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:08 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Elizabeth, everyone can go re-read the discussions for themselves.  Your
>>> characterization is not accurate.
>>>
>>> I think we can both agree without arguing that a paid salary is world’s
>>> above membership t-shirts that were made open to everyone (and as far as I
>>> am aware no one took Wes up on it).  This is by nature completely unique
>>> and cannot be made level.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the LP. It
>>>> was
>>>> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen when we
>>>> had
>>>> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented itself now
>>>> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we are
>>>> talking
>>>> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never
>>>> elected a
>>>> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
>>>>
>>>> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level decision, but
>>>> one
>>>> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the financial
>>>> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not fear
>>>> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are failing.
>>>> This is
>>>> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect to be
>>>> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
>>>> includes
>>>> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate the
>>>> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next attempt.
>>>>
>>>> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively minimum
>>>> risk
>>>> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am asking to
>>>> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as a
>>>> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would reverberate
>>>> till
>>>> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every future
>>>> LNC
>>>> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope) will
>>>> lead
>>>> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have essentially
>>>> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
>>>>
>>>> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you if you
>>>> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC first. I
>>>> have
>>>> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would indeed
>>>> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel of your
>>>> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract should
>>>> one
>>>> be offered?
>>>>
>>>> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
>>>> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As such the
>>>> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to see if
>>>> it
>>>> increases our revenue.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Daniel Fishman
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> The Libertarian Party
>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 3:45 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > It is already all of our jobs to fundraise.  Pay expenses? Certainly.
>>>> > Salary?  No.
>>>> >
>>>> > I volunteer - expenses only.
>>>> >
>>>> > Seriously after the shitstorm last year for legitimate fundraising
>>>> it’s all
>>>> > of a sudden different because it’s Nick and with salary?  I was in
>>>> danger
>>>> > of (ridiculously) of bribing votes with t-shirts but this is okay?
>>>> >
>>>> > Is Nick re-running?  Would there be no using of a salaried position to
>>>> > influence internal politics?
>>>> >
>>>> > I’ll say it right now, then every chair candidate must be given equal
>>>> > opportunity.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:20 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <
>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > I think other people said that more recently than I, its been a few
>>>> > months
>>>> > > since I did 😂, tho I hinted at it.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Well thought out as always.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > John Phillips
>>>> > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>> > > Cell 217-412-5973
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Jul 6, 2019 12:59 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
>>>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I guess Mr. Fishman's honeymoon period is over!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I'm willing to hear out our ED and not shoot it down immediately,
>>>> but
>>>> > > for my part I will need a lot more details when we consider it. If
>>>> we're
>>>> > > hiring a contractor, I want to know precisely what tasks the
>>>> contractor
>>>> > > will be doing on at least a quarterly basis if not a monthly or
>>>> weekly
>>>> > > basis, and how (and who) will be actively monitoring progress and
>>>> > > adjusting based on the results.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I will also need to review the information addressing whether this
>>>> > > violates the Bylaws or common past understandings of the role of the
>>>> > > Chair or LNC members.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This contractor-who-knows-us approach would be preferable, in my
>>>> view,
>>>> > > to hiring a commission fundraiser who knows little about us and
>>>> > > therefore will be ineffective at securing major donors willing to
>>>> invest
>>>> > > long-term with us. In-person telemarketing, which is effectively
>>>> what
>>>> > > that is, can be effective for raising money quickly, but only at
>>>> > > enormous expense (as a percent of dollar raised), great risk of
>>>> > > misrepresentation, and at the expense of a continuing relationship.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Ideally we need to construct a fundraising department, essentially
>>>> from
>>>> > > scratch now. We have two main donor audiences - major donors and
>>>> small
>>>> > > dollar donors - and each of them needs attention as to their
>>>> > > prospecting/qualification/opening doors, asking/closing, and
>>>> > > stewardship/cultivation. That's essentially six completely different
>>>> > > skills (2 audiences times 3 jobs each) and we can't have one person
>>>> do
>>>> > > all of it and expect them to do better than Lauren could. We also
>>>> can't
>>>> > > hire six people, so the answer is going to be a mix of LNC members,
>>>> the
>>>> > > ED, staff, and contractors.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If we're going to get to a place where we are raising millions of
>>>> > > dollars or more each year, building a fundraising department is an
>>>> > > essential second step. (The first step is doing exciting things
>>>> donors
>>>> > > want to support, or at least proposing to focus on those things. On
>>>> that
>>>> > > part, I'd like to invite Apollo to the next Board meeting and tell
>>>> us
>>>> > > what he has up his sleeves.) If what Mr. Fishman proposes is a step
>>>> in
>>>> > > that direction, I'm more inclined to support it. If not, not.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > As Mr. Phillips I think noted, if we say no to everything and
>>>> propose
>>>> > > nothing we will quickly realize in a bad way how important
>>>> fundraising
>>>> > > is.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > JBH
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ------------
>>>> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 2019-07-05 16:50, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> > > > Then lets get hiring.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> >
>>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>>> >
>>>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>>>> > Caryn.Ann.
>>>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>>> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>>> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>>> >
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>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *  In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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>>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>>> Eliminate Regulation *
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>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
>> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>>
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>> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize
>> All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
>> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
>> Eliminate Regulation *
>>
>> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org
>> <http://www.lp.org/>*
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>>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
>
> =========================================================================
> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
> *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
> =========================================================================
>
-- 

*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================
Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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