[Lnc-business] Proposed

Tue Jul 9 14:20:03 EDT 2019

If time is of the essence, the job should be posted last week. We can
always deny all applicants if another arrangement is made but waiting to
post a job is going to hurt us so much more if we don't at least get the
ball rolling. I get the sense that more urgency is being created (not
intentionally) because we have not begun the rehiring process.

Richard Longstreth
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
Libertarian National Committee
richard.longstreth at lp.org
931.538.9300

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On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 11:06 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Ahh but is that time sensitivity partially created by lack of immediate
> action by the small circle in the know?  That is important to know so I’m
> requesting the date she gave notice.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:57 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Not sure on when, but her last day is what makes it time sensitive, which
> > is end of the month IIRC.
> >
> > I have been reaching out to people since we got the notice so as soon as
> > we have an official listing and job description they will be ready
> >
> > John Phillips
> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2019 12:34 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have an additional point- I keep hearing about the time urgency, but
> > when
> > did Lauren give her notice?  I know when we were told, but is the same
> > day?
> > Most businesses at least immediately start recruiting for key positions.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Nick,
> > >
> > > I don't see you advocating for this set-up, but explaining and/or
> > > answering many of the questions and concerns that have been voiced.
> > > Thank you for that.
> > >
> > > Nor, do I see you advocating for your own financial gain, as the LP
> > > can't afford to pay much. You'd make more money in the private sector,
> > > than with a cash-strapped non-profit. (The LP)  If anything, you'd be
> > > sacrificing potential income under this proposed set-up. I see your
> > > explanation in a positive light, and appreciate you even considering
> > > such a dual-headache-role.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure having one person doing fundraising and press-secretary,
> is
> > > a good idea. Unless we clone Lauren. She had a 'very particular set of
> > > skills', and not easily replaced. (movie pun intentional ; )
> > >
> > > You've explained how you'd have the time, and willing to take on the
> > > dual role.  IF, such an arrangement were made, you'd be not unlike
> > > Lauren. You both have young children at home, live in a state a great
> > > distance to LPHQ, and would need to travel extensively, behalf of the
> > > LP. You have the advantage of being "the Chair", which carries
> gravitas.
> > >   If you stepped down from the Chair position, you'd lose the luster of
> > > that position, and I see no benefit to the LP if you were to be "a
> > > former Chair", now fundraiser-guy.
> > >
> > > My biggest concern is whether you'd be able to do what Lauren did.
> > > Willingness aside, would you be able to do what is needed? I don't
> think
> > > any of us can answer that.  Much for the LNC to ponder.
> > >
> > > Cheers all, and look forward to in-person discussion later this month.
> > >
> > > EVH
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2019-07-09 02:34, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > I want to directly address the questions Mr. Fishman raised and those
> > > > questions that have been raised in the discussion about Mr. Fishman's
> > > > proposal that I can answer.
> > > >
> > > > I am no longer involved in day-to-day operations at the car
> dealership
> > > > and
> > > > loan company, so am able to accept other full-time employment. If the
> > > > LNC
> > > > were to approve a contract that was mutually agreeable, I would be
> > > > available for full-time efforts as long as necessary.
> > > >
> > > > I agree that creating a salary that would be attached the Chair's
> > > > position
> > > > would require the approval of the delegates at convention. There are
> > > > good
> > > > arguments on both sides of that issue as an organization. This
> > > > situation is
> > > > about filling in a temporary gap in our capabilities without delay
> > > > while we
> > > > seek a candidate to fill the Development Director position and while
> > we
> > > > are
> > > > without a Press Secretary. I am willing to take on those extra
> duties,
> > > > but
> > > > can't spend my work week on it without being paid for my time.
> > > >
> > > > Some people have suggested that the position be commission only. I
> > > > would
> > > > not be comfortable with that. There are advantages in fundraising to
> > my
> > > > position in the organization that would create the potential for very
> > > > large
> > > > commissions that would take away from the resources we need to spend
> > on
> > > > party projects and operations. My preference would be an agreed on
> > flat
> > > > hourly rate.
> > > >
> > > > Some have suggested that I should do all of the necessary fundraising
> > > > as a
> > > > volunteer. I would love to be independently wealthy and to be able to
> > > > spend
> > > > all of my working hours on the position of National Chair, but that
> is
> > > > not
> > > > the situation I am in at this point in my life. If the LNC chooses
> not
> > > > to
> > > > move in this direction, I will find a different opportunity to spend
> > > > the
> > > > bulk of my working week on, but I would like to spend that time on
> > > > doing
> > > > what the Libertarian Party needs at this critical time.
> > > >
> > > > Yours truly,
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the LP.
> It
> > > >> was
> > > >> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen when
> > > >> we had
> > > >> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented itself
> > now
> > > >> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we are
> > > >> talking
> > > >> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never
> > > >> elected a
> > > >> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level decision,
> > but
> > > >> one
> > > >> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the
> > > >> financial
> > > >> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not fear
> > > >> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are failing.
> > > >> This is
> > > >> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect to
> > > >> be
> > > >> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
> > > >> includes
> > > >> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate
> the
> > > >> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next attempt.
> > > >>
> > > >> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively
> > minimum
> > > >> risk
> > > >> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am
> asking
> > > >> to
> > > >> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as a
> > > >> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would reverberate
> > > >> till
> > > >> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every
> > future
> > > >> LNC
> > > >> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope)
> will
> > > >> lead
> > > >> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have
> > > >> essentially
> > > >> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
> > > >>
> > > >> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you if
> > > >> you
> > > >> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC first. I
> > > >> have
> > > >> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would
> > > >> indeed
> > > >> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel of
> > > >> your
> > > >> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract
> should
> > > >> one
> > > >> be offered?
> > > >>
> > > >> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
> > > >> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As such
> > > >> the
> > > >> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to see
> > if
> > > >> it
> > > >> increases our revenue.
> > > >>
> > > >> ---
> > > >> Daniel Fishman
> > > >> Executive Director
> > > >> The Libertarian Party
> > > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
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