[Lnc-business] Proposed

Tue Jul 9 14:25:22 EDT 2019

I’d like to know the actual date Lauren gave notice before commenting
further on this urgency.

The optics get worse and worse.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:20 PM Richard Longstreth <
libertarianlongstreth at gmail.com> wrote:

> If time is of the essence, the job should be posted last week. We can
> always deny all applicants if another arrangement is made but waiting to
> post a job is going to hurt us so much more if we don't at least get the
> ball rolling. I get the sense that more urgency is being created (not
> intentionally) because we have not begun the rehiring process.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 11:06 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Ahh but is that time sensitivity partially created by lack of immediate
>> action by the small circle in the know?  That is important to know so I’m
>> requesting the date she gave notice.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:57 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Not sure on when, but her last day is what makes it time sensitive,
>> which
>> > is end of the month IIRC.
>> >
>> > I have been reaching out to people since we got the notice so as soon as
>> > we have an official listing and job description they will be ready
>> >
>> > John Phillips
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >
>> > On Jul 9, 2019 12:34 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have an additional point- I keep hearing about the time urgency, but
>> > when
>> > did Lauren give her notice?  I know when we were told, but is the same
>> > day?
>> > Most businesses at least immediately start recruiting for key positions.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello Nick,
>> > >
>> > > I don't see you advocating for this set-up, but explaining and/or
>> > > answering many of the questions and concerns that have been voiced.
>> > > Thank you for that.
>> > >
>> > > Nor, do I see you advocating for your own financial gain, as the LP
>> > > can't afford to pay much. You'd make more money in the private sector,
>> > > than with a cash-strapped non-profit. (The LP)  If anything, you'd be
>> > > sacrificing potential income under this proposed set-up. I see your
>> > > explanation in a positive light, and appreciate you even considering
>> > > such a dual-headache-role.
>> > >
>> > > I'm not sure having one person doing fundraising and press-secretary,
>> is
>> > > a good idea. Unless we clone Lauren. She had a 'very particular set of
>> > > skills', and not easily replaced. (movie pun intentional ; )
>> > >
>> > > You've explained how you'd have the time, and willing to take on the
>> > > dual role.  IF, such an arrangement were made, you'd be not unlike
>> > > Lauren. You both have young children at home, live in a state a great
>> > > distance to LPHQ, and would need to travel extensively, behalf of the
>> > > LP. You have the advantage of being "the Chair", which carries
>> gravitas.
>> > >   If you stepped down from the Chair position, you'd lose the luster
>> of
>> > > that position, and I see no benefit to the LP if you were to be "a
>> > > former Chair", now fundraiser-guy.
>> > >
>> > > My biggest concern is whether you'd be able to do what Lauren did.
>> > > Willingness aside, would you be able to do what is needed? I don't
>> think
>> > > any of us can answer that.  Much for the LNC to ponder.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers all, and look forward to in-person discussion later this month.
>> > >
>> > > EVH
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> > > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 2019-07-09 02:34, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > > Dear All,
>> > > >
>> > > > I want to directly address the questions Mr. Fishman raised and
>> those
>> > > > questions that have been raised in the discussion about Mr.
>> Fishman's
>> > > > proposal that I can answer.
>> > > >
>> > > > I am no longer involved in day-to-day operations at the car
>> dealership
>> > > > and
>> > > > loan company, so am able to accept other full-time employment. If
>> the
>> > > > LNC
>> > > > were to approve a contract that was mutually agreeable, I would be
>> > > > available for full-time efforts as long as necessary.
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree that creating a salary that would be attached the Chair's
>> > > > position
>> > > > would require the approval of the delegates at convention. There are
>> > > > good
>> > > > arguments on both sides of that issue as an organization. This
>> > > > situation is
>> > > > about filling in a temporary gap in our capabilities without delay
>> > > > while we
>> > > > seek a candidate to fill the Development Director position and while
>> > we
>> > > > are
>> > > > without a Press Secretary. I am willing to take on those extra
>> duties,
>> > > > but
>> > > > can't spend my work week on it without being paid for my time.
>> > > >
>> > > > Some people have suggested that the position be commission only. I
>> > > > would
>> > > > not be comfortable with that. There are advantages in fundraising to
>> > my
>> > > > position in the organization that would create the potential for
>> very
>> > > > large
>> > > > commissions that would take away from the resources we need to spend
>> > on
>> > > > party projects and operations. My preference would be an agreed on
>> > flat
>> > > > hourly rate.
>> > > >
>> > > > Some have suggested that I should do all of the necessary
>> fundraising
>> > > > as a
>> > > > volunteer. I would love to be independently wealthy and to be able
>> to
>> > > > spend
>> > > > all of my working hours on the position of National Chair, but that
>> is
>> > > > not
>> > > > the situation I am in at this point in my life. If the LNC chooses
>> not
>> > > > to
>> > > > move in this direction, I will find a different opportunity to spend
>> > > > the
>> > > > bulk of my working week on, but I would like to spend that time on
>> > > > doing
>> > > > what the Libertarian Party needs at this critical time.
>> > > >
>> > > > Yours truly,
>> > > > Nick
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
>> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the LP.
>> It
>> > > >> was
>> > > >> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen
>> when
>> > > >> we had
>> > > >> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented itself
>> > now
>> > > >> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we are
>> > > >> talking
>> > > >> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never
>> > > >> elected a
>> > > >> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level decision,
>> > but
>> > > >> one
>> > > >> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the
>> > > >> financial
>> > > >> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not
>> fear
>> > > >> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are failing.
>> > > >> This is
>> > > >> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect
>> to
>> > > >> be
>> > > >> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
>> > > >> includes
>> > > >> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate
>> the
>> > > >> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next
>> attempt.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively
>> > minimum
>> > > >> risk
>> > > >> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am
>> asking
>> > > >> to
>> > > >> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as a
>> > > >> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would
>> reverberate
>> > > >> till
>> > > >> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every
>> > future
>> > > >> LNC
>> > > >> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope)
>> will
>> > > >> lead
>> > > >> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have
>> > > >> essentially
>> > > >> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you
>> if
>> > > >> you
>> > > >> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC first.
>> I
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would
>> > > >> indeed
>> > > >> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel of
>> > > >> your
>> > > >> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract
>> should
>> > > >> one
>> > > >> be offered?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
>> > > >> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As such
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to see
>> > if
>> > > >> it
>> > > >> increases our revenue.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ---
>> > > >> Daniel Fishman
>> > > >> Executive Director
>> > > >> The Libertarian Party
>> > > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> >
>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> > Caryn.Ann.
>> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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>> >
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>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
>> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
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Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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