[Lnc-business] Proposed

Tue Jul 9 16:08:40 EDT 2019

Decide in haste, repent in leisure.

I'm not sure who's advocating for urgency here? Certainly not me. This
decision should not be rushed. It also seems to be the thread has become
mostly cross talk. We shouldn't delay hiring a dev director unnecessarily
either, but the only urgency I felt was to present the idea of the chair as
a contractor to you all long enough before Austin so that people would not
feel blindsided and have time to discuss the issue. In theory this thread
replaces a long discussion in Austin right? I want us to have the right
person in place who can build a development team. And whether or not we
hire the Chair as a contractor I *still* intend to hire someone to head a
development team, and then help that person grow their team.

How and whom I hire for the new Development Director is something I look
forward to talking to you all about individually.

I truly don't see the relevance of the timeline from resignation to my
proposal. There are a lot of things to be handled just so when an employee
leaves, and we did those. If the majority of the LNC feels like it's
relevant I can explain the timeline and process, but *PLEASE* that should
be a much different thread than this one.

Thank you for staying on topic as to why you all think the chair should or
should not be contracted. My decision to ask the LNC about this is to
present an opportunity that I think is very unique because of a confluence
of events. It's pretty clear to me as Region 3 pointed out, the Chair could
be making more money by returning to the law. I do not expect him to
jeopardize his families long term wealth (4 college tuitions) by staying in
this position a long time. On the other hand there is this unique window, 5
months before the end of the year, 10 months before the convention.

My points in favor of extending a contract to the chair continue to be:
familiarity with our operation, the trust of the members and donors, the
chair's capacity to do the work, his competency in leading the party and
his current availability. I acknowledge the raised points against, and
trust that this august body is duly weighing everything.
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Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:25 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> I’d like to know the actual date Lauren gave notice before commenting
> further on this urgency.
>
> The optics get worse and worse.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:20 PM Richard Longstreth <
> libertarianlongstreth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If time is of the essence, the job should be posted last week. We can
> > always deny all applicants if another arrangement is made but waiting to
> > post a job is going to hurt us so much more if we don't at least get the
> > ball rolling. I get the sense that more urgency is being created (not
> > intentionally) because we have not begun the rehiring process.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 11:06 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Ahh but is that time sensitivity partially created by lack of immediate
> >> action by the small circle in the know?  That is important to know so
> I’m
> >> requesting the date she gave notice.
> >>
> >> -Caryn Ann
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:57 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Not sure on when, but her last day is what makes it time sensitive,
> >> which
> >> > is end of the month IIRC.
> >> >
> >> > I have been reaching out to people since we got the notice so as soon
> as
> >> > we have an official listing and job description they will be ready
> >> >
> >> > John Phillips
> >> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >> > Cell 217-412-5973
> >> >
> >> > On Jul 9, 2019 12:34 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have an additional point- I keep hearing about the time urgency, but
> >> > when
> >> > did Lauren give her notice?  I know when we were told, but is the same
> >> > day?
> >> > Most businesses at least immediately start recruiting for key
> positions.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello Nick,
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't see you advocating for this set-up, but explaining and/or
> >> > > answering many of the questions and concerns that have been voiced.
> >> > > Thank you for that.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nor, do I see you advocating for your own financial gain, as the LP
> >> > > can't afford to pay much. You'd make more money in the private
> sector,
> >> > > than with a cash-strapped non-profit. (The LP)  If anything, you'd
> be
> >> > > sacrificing potential income under this proposed set-up. I see your
> >> > > explanation in a positive light, and appreciate you even considering
> >> > > such a dual-headache-role.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm not sure having one person doing fundraising and
> press-secretary,
> >> is
> >> > > a good idea. Unless we clone Lauren. She had a 'very particular set
> of
> >> > > skills', and not easily replaced. (movie pun intentional ; )
> >> > >
> >> > > You've explained how you'd have the time, and willing to take on the
> >> > > dual role.  IF, such an arrangement were made, you'd be not unlike
> >> > > Lauren. You both have young children at home, live in a state a
> great
> >> > > distance to LPHQ, and would need to travel extensively, behalf of
> the
> >> > > LP. You have the advantage of being "the Chair", which carries
> >> gravitas.
> >> > >   If you stepped down from the Chair position, you'd lose the luster
> >> of
> >> > > that position, and I see no benefit to the LP if you were to be "a
> >> > > former Chair", now fundraiser-guy.
> >> > >
> >> > > My biggest concern is whether you'd be able to do what Lauren did.
> >> > > Willingness aside, would you be able to do what is needed? I don't
> >> think
> >> > > any of us can answer that.  Much for the LNC to ponder.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers all, and look forward to in-person discussion later this
> month.
> >> > >
> >> > > EVH
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ---
> >> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >> > > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> >> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> >> > > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 2019-07-09 02:34, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > > > Dear All,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I want to directly address the questions Mr. Fishman raised and
> >> those
> >> > > > questions that have been raised in the discussion about Mr.
> >> Fishman's
> >> > > > proposal that I can answer.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am no longer involved in day-to-day operations at the car
> >> dealership
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > loan company, so am able to accept other full-time employment. If
> >> the
> >> > > > LNC
> >> > > > were to approve a contract that was mutually agreeable, I would be
> >> > > > available for full-time efforts as long as necessary.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I agree that creating a salary that would be attached the Chair's
> >> > > > position
> >> > > > would require the approval of the delegates at convention. There
> are
> >> > > > good
> >> > > > arguments on both sides of that issue as an organization. This
> >> > > > situation is
> >> > > > about filling in a temporary gap in our capabilities without delay
> >> > > > while we
> >> > > > seek a candidate to fill the Development Director position and
> while
> >> > we
> >> > > > are
> >> > > > without a Press Secretary. I am willing to take on those extra
> >> duties,
> >> > > > but
> >> > > > can't spend my work week on it without being paid for my time.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Some people have suggested that the position be commission only. I
> >> > > > would
> >> > > > not be comfortable with that. There are advantages in fundraising
> to
> >> > my
> >> > > > position in the organization that would create the potential for
> >> very
> >> > > > large
> >> > > > commissions that would take away from the resources we need to
> spend
> >> > on
> >> > > > party projects and operations. My preference would be an agreed on
> >> > flat
> >> > > > hourly rate.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Some have suggested that I should do all of the necessary
> >> fundraising
> >> > > > as a
> >> > > > volunteer. I would love to be independently wealthy and to be able
> >> to
> >> > > > spend
> >> > > > all of my working hours on the position of National Chair, but
> that
> >> is
> >> > > > not
> >> > > > the situation I am in at this point in my life. If the LNC chooses
> >> not
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > move in this direction, I will find a different opportunity to
> spend
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > bulk of my working week on, but I would like to spend that time on
> >> > > > doing
> >> > > > what the Libertarian Party needs at this critical time.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Yours truly,
> >> > > > Nick
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
> >> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the
> LP.
> >> It
> >> > > >> was
> >> > > >> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen
> >> when
> >> > > >> we had
> >> > > >> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented
> itself
> >> > now
> >> > > >> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we
> are
> >> > > >> talking
> >> > > >> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never
> >> > > >> elected a
> >> > > >> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level
> decision,
> >> > but
> >> > > >> one
> >> > > >> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the
> >> > > >> financial
> >> > > >> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not
> >> fear
> >> > > >> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are
> failing.
> >> > > >> This is
> >> > > >> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect
> >> to
> >> > > >> be
> >> > > >> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
> >> > > >> includes
> >> > > >> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate
> >> the
> >> > > >> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next
> >> attempt.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively
> >> > minimum
> >> > > >> risk
> >> > > >> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am
> >> asking
> >> > > >> to
> >> > > >> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as
> a
> >> > > >> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would
> >> reverberate
> >> > > >> till
> >> > > >> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every
> >> > future
> >> > > >> LNC
> >> > > >> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope)
> >> will
> >> > > >> lead
> >> > > >> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have
> >> > > >> essentially
> >> > > >> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you
> >> if
> >> > > >> you
> >> > > >> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC
> first.
> >> I
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would
> >> > > >> indeed
> >> > > >> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel
> of
> >> > > >> your
> >> > > >> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract
> >> should
> >> > > >> one
> >> > > >> be offered?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
> >> > > >> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As
> such
> >> > > >> the
> >> > > >> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to
> see
> >> > if
> >> > > >> it
> >> > > >> increases our revenue.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> ---
> >> > > >> Daniel Fishman
> >> > > >> Executive Director
> >> > > >> The Libertarian Party
> >> > > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> >
> >> > *  In Liberty,*
> >> >
> >> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >> > Caryn.Ann.
> >> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> >> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> >> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> > --
> >>
> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >> Caryn.Ann.
> >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> All
> >> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
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> >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
> Tax
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> Services
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> > --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
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