[Lnc-business] Proposed

Tue Jul 9 16:11:56 EDT 2019

I understand you disagree on the relevance but I believe the LNC has the
right to that information.  Can I please know the date?

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:08 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Decide in haste, repent in leisure.
>
> I'm not sure who's advocating for urgency here? Certainly not me. This
> decision should not be rushed. It also seems to be the thread has become
> mostly cross talk. We shouldn't delay hiring a dev director unnecessarily
> either, but the only urgency I felt was to present the idea of the chair as
> a contractor to you all long enough before Austin so that people would not
> feel blindsided and have time to discuss the issue. In theory this thread
> replaces a long discussion in Austin right? I want us to have the right
> person in place who can build a development team. And whether or not we
> hire the Chair as a contractor I *still* intend to hire someone to head a
> development team, and then help that person grow their team.
>
> How and whom I hire for the new Development Director is something I look
> forward to talking to you all about individually.
>
> I truly don't see the relevance of the timeline from resignation to my
> proposal. There are a lot of things to be handled just so when an employee
> leaves, and we did those. If the majority of the LNC feels like it's
> relevant I can explain the timeline and process, but *PLEASE* that should
> be a much different thread than this one.
>
> Thank you for staying on topic as to why you all think the chair should or
> should not be contracted. My decision to ask the LNC about this is to
> present an opportunity that I think is very unique because of a confluence
> of events. It's pretty clear to me as Region 3 pointed out, the Chair could
> be making more money by returning to the law. I do not expect him to
> jeopardize his families long term wealth (4 college tuitions) by staying in
> this position a long time. On the other hand there is this unique window, 5
> months before the end of the year, 10 months before the convention.
>
> My points in favor of extending a contract to the chair continue to be:
> familiarity with our operation, the trust of the members and donors, the
> chair's capacity to do the work, his competency in leading the party and
> his current availability. I acknowledge the raised points against, and
> trust that this august body is duly weighing everything.
> -------
> Daniel Fishman
> Executive Director
> The Libertarian Party
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>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:25 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > I’d like to know the actual date Lauren gave notice before commenting
> > further on this urgency.
> >
> > The optics get worse and worse.
> >
> > -Caryn Ann
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:20 PM Richard Longstreth <
> > libertarianlongstreth at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If time is of the essence, the job should be posted last week. We can
> > > always deny all applicants if another arrangement is made but waiting
> to
> > > post a job is going to hurt us so much more if we don't at least get
> the
> > > ball rolling. I get the sense that more urgency is being created (not
> > > intentionally) because we have not begun the rehiring process.
> > >
> > > Richard Longstreth
> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > > 931.538.9300
> > >
> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019, 11:06 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ahh but is that time sensitivity partially created by lack of
> immediate
> > >> action by the small circle in the know?  That is important to know so
> > I’m
> > >> requesting the date she gave notice.
> > >>
> > >> -Caryn Ann
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:57 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Not sure on when, but her last day is what makes it time sensitive,
> > >> which
> > >> > is end of the month IIRC.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have been reaching out to people since we got the notice so as
> soon
> > as
> > >> > we have an official listing and job description they will be ready
> > >> >
> > >> > John Phillips
> > >> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> > >> > Cell 217-412-5973
> > >> >
> > >> > On Jul 9, 2019 12:34 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I have an additional point- I keep hearing about the time urgency,
> but
> > >> > when
> > >> > did Lauren give her notice?  I know when we were told, but is the
> same
> > >> > day?
> > >> > Most businesses at least immediately start recruiting for key
> > positions.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business
> <
> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hello Nick,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I don't see you advocating for this set-up, but explaining and/or
> > >> > > answering many of the questions and concerns that have been
> voiced.
> > >> > > Thank you for that.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nor, do I see you advocating for your own financial gain, as the
> LP
> > >> > > can't afford to pay much. You'd make more money in the private
> > sector,
> > >> > > than with a cash-strapped non-profit. (The LP)  If anything, you'd
> > be
> > >> > > sacrificing potential income under this proposed set-up. I see
> your
> > >> > > explanation in a positive light, and appreciate you even
> considering
> > >> > > such a dual-headache-role.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I'm not sure having one person doing fundraising and
> > press-secretary,
> > >> is
> > >> > > a good idea. Unless we clone Lauren. She had a 'very particular
> set
> > of
> > >> > > skills', and not easily replaced. (movie pun intentional ; )
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You've explained how you'd have the time, and willing to take on
> the
> > >> > > dual role.  IF, such an arrangement were made, you'd be not unlike
> > >> > > Lauren. You both have young children at home, live in a state a
> > great
> > >> > > distance to LPHQ, and would need to travel extensively, behalf of
> > the
> > >> > > LP. You have the advantage of being "the Chair", which carries
> > >> gravitas.
> > >> > >   If you stepped down from the Chair position, you'd lose the
> luster
> > >> of
> > >> > > that position, and I see no benefit to the LP if you were to be "a
> > >> > > former Chair", now fundraiser-guy.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > My biggest concern is whether you'd be able to do what Lauren did.
> > >> > > Willingness aside, would you be able to do what is needed? I don't
> > >> think
> > >> > > any of us can answer that.  Much for the LNC to ponder.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Cheers all, and look forward to in-person discussion later this
> > month.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > EVH
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ---
> > >> > > Elizabeth Van Horn
> > >> > > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > >> > > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> > >> > > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> > >> > > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 2019-07-09 02:34, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> > > > Dear All,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I want to directly address the questions Mr. Fishman raised and
> > >> those
> > >> > > > questions that have been raised in the discussion about Mr.
> > >> Fishman's
> > >> > > > proposal that I can answer.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I am no longer involved in day-to-day operations at the car
> > >> dealership
> > >> > > > and
> > >> > > > loan company, so am able to accept other full-time employment.
> If
> > >> the
> > >> > > > LNC
> > >> > > > were to approve a contract that was mutually agreeable, I would
> be
> > >> > > > available for full-time efforts as long as necessary.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I agree that creating a salary that would be attached the
> Chair's
> > >> > > > position
> > >> > > > would require the approval of the delegates at convention. There
> > are
> > >> > > > good
> > >> > > > arguments on both sides of that issue as an organization. This
> > >> > > > situation is
> > >> > > > about filling in a temporary gap in our capabilities without
> delay
> > >> > > > while we
> > >> > > > seek a candidate to fill the Development Director position and
> > while
> > >> > we
> > >> > > > are
> > >> > > > without a Press Secretary. I am willing to take on those extra
> > >> duties,
> > >> > > > but
> > >> > > > can't spend my work week on it without being paid for my time.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Some people have suggested that the position be commission
> only. I
> > >> > > > would
> > >> > > > not be comfortable with that. There are advantages in
> fundraising
> > to
> > >> > my
> > >> > > > position in the organization that would create the potential for
> > >> very
> > >> > > > large
> > >> > > > commissions that would take away from the resources we need to
> > spend
> > >> > on
> > >> > > > party projects and operations. My preference would be an agreed
> on
> > >> > flat
> > >> > > > hourly rate.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Some have suggested that I should do all of the necessary
> > >> fundraising
> > >> > > > as a
> > >> > > > volunteer. I would love to be independently wealthy and to be
> able
> > >> to
> > >> > > > spend
> > >> > > > all of my working hours on the position of National Chair, but
> > that
> > >> is
> > >> > > > not
> > >> > > > the situation I am in at this point in my life. If the LNC
> chooses
> > >> not
> > >> > > > to
> > >> > > > move in this direction, I will find a different opportunity to
> > spend
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > bulk of my working week on, but I would like to spend that time
> on
> > >> > > > doing
> > >> > > > what the Libertarian Party needs at this critical time.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Yours truly,
> > >> > > > Nick
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
> > >> > > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the
> > LP.
> > >> It
> > >> > > >> was
> > >> > > >> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen
> > >> when
> > >> > > >> we had
> > >> > > >> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented
> > itself
> > >> > now
> > >> > > >> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we
> > are
> > >> > > >> talking
> > >> > > >> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've
> never
> > >> > > >> elected a
> > >> > > >> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level
> > decision,
> > >> > but
> > >> > > >> one
> > >> > > >> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the
> > >> > > >> financial
> > >> > > >> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not
> > >> fear
> > >> > > >> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are
> > failing.
> > >> > > >> This is
> > >> > > >> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be
> expect
> > >> to
> > >> > > >> be
> > >> > > >> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And
> that
> > >> > > >> includes
> > >> > > >> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We
> terminate
> > >> the
> > >> > > >> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next
> > >> attempt.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively
> > >> > minimum
> > >> > > >> risk
> > >> > > >> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am
> > >> asking
> > >> > > >> to
> > >> > > >> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted
> as
> > a
> > >> > > >> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would
> > >> reverberate
> > >> > > >> till
> > >> > > >> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every
> > >> > future
> > >> > > >> LNC
> > >> > > >> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I
> hope)
> > >> will
> > >> > > >> lead
> > >> > > >> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have
> > >> > > >> essentially
> > >> > > >> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked
> you
> > >> if
> > >> > > >> you
> > >> > > >> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC
> > first.
> > >> I
> > >> > > >> have
> > >> > > >> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you
> would
> > >> > > >> indeed
> > >> > > >> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel
> > of
> > >> > > >> your
> > >> > > >> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract
> > >> should
> > >> > > >> one
> > >> > > >> be offered?
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
> > >> > > >> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As
> > such
> > >> > > >> the
> > >> > > >> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to
> > see
> > >> > if
> > >> > > >> it
> > >> > > >> increases our revenue.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> ---
> > >> > > >> Daniel Fishman
> > >> > > >> Executive Director
> > >> > > >> The Libertarian Party
> > >> > > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> >
> > >> > *  In Liberty,*
> > >> >
> > >> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > >> > Caryn.Ann.
> > >> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > >> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> > >> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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> > >> >
> > >> >
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> > >> > --
> > >>
> > >> *  In Liberty,*
> > >>
> > >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > >> Caryn.Ann.
> > >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> > >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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> > All
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> *
> > >> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed *
> End
> > >> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
> > Tax
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> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> >
> > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> > Caryn.Ann.
> > Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
> >
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> All
> > Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> > Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> > Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
> Tax
> > * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency
> Services
> > * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> > Eliminate Regulation *
> >
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>
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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