[Lnc-business] Proposed

Tue Jul 9 17:34:14 EDT 2019

Ask the ED and Chair.  They didn’t treat it that way and waited 10 days to
inform us.

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:57 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:

> Yes, I was pushing some urgency.  Given our monetary situation, and how
> tightly we balanced the budget, it is not my belief that we can have this
> position sitting empty and job not being done for any amount of time.
>
> If I am wrong in that belief, then someone can enlighten me as to why.
> Then I will pass on to my region why there was apparently no urgency for a
> dedicated development/fundraiser person right before major ballot access
> battles in a presidential election year.
>
>
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
>
> On Jul 9, 2019 3:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> Thank you.  From what I can tell, the full LNC was notified on June 28.  I
> understand that Mr. Fishman was not arguing urgency but several LNC
> members
> where.  At least to me, the chair and ED's actions by not notifying us
> immediately means that they certainly did not view this as an urgent
> situation, and thus, neither will I.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:16 PM Lauren Daugherty <lauren.daugherty at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I gave notice on June 18. I wanted to give as much notice as possible,
> to
> > help with the transition. I was able to give 6 weeks notice, so I did
> so. I
> > could have started my new job sooner but wanted to continue to go above
> and
> > beyond for the LP as I exit my position on staff. We are now 3 weeks
> into
> > that 6 weeks.
> >
> > --
> > Lauren Daugherty
> > Development Director
> > Libertarian National Committee
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:34 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I have an additional point- I keep hearing about the time urgency, but
> >> when
> >> did Lauren give her notice?  I know when we were told, but is the same
> >> day?
> >> Most businesses at least immediately start recruiting for key
> positions.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hello Nick,
> >> >
> >> > I don't see you advocating for this set-up, but explaining and/or
> >> > answering many of the questions and concerns that have been voiced.
> >> > Thank you for that.
> >> >
> >> > Nor, do I see you advocating for your own financial gain, as the LP
> >> > can't afford to pay much. You'd make more money in the private
> sector,
> >> > than with a cash-strapped non-profit. (The LP)  If anything, you'd be
> >> > sacrificing potential income under this proposed set-up. I see your
> >> > explanation in a positive light, and appreciate you even considering
> >> > such a dual-headache-role.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure having one person doing fundraising and press-secretary,
> is
> >> > a good idea. Unless we clone Lauren. She had a 'very particular set
> of
> >> > skills', and not easily replaced. (movie pun intentional ; )
> >> >
> >> > You've explained how you'd have the time, and willing to take on the
> >> > dual role.  IF, such an arrangement were made, you'd be not unlike
> >> > Lauren. You both have young children at home, live in a state a great
> >> > distance to LPHQ, and would need to travel extensively, behalf of the
> >> > LP. You have the advantage of being "the Chair", which carries
> gravitas.
> >> >   If you stepped down from the Chair position, you'd lose the luster
> of
> >> > that position, and I see no benefit to the LP if you were to be "a
> >> > former Chair", now fundraiser-guy.
> >> >
> >> > My biggest concern is whether you'd be able to do what Lauren did.
> >> > Willingness aside, would you be able to do what is needed? I don't
> think
> >> > any of us can answer that.  Much for the LNC to ponder.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers all, and look forward to in-person discussion later this
> month.
> >> >
> >> > EVH
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >> > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> >> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> >> > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 2019-07-09 02:34, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > > Dear All,
> >> > >
> >> > > I want to directly address the questions Mr. Fishman raised and
> those
> >> > > questions that have been raised in the discussion about Mr.
> Fishman's
> >> > > proposal that I can answer.
> >> > >
> >> > > I am no longer involved in day-to-day operations at the car
> dealership
> >> > > and
> >> > > loan company, so am able to accept other full-time employment. If
> the
> >> > > LNC
> >> > > were to approve a contract that was mutually agreeable, I would be
> >> > > available for full-time efforts as long as necessary.
> >> > >
> >> > > I agree that creating a salary that would be attached the Chair's
> >> > > position
> >> > > would require the approval of the delegates at convention. There
> are
> >> > > good
> >> > > arguments on both sides of that issue as an organization. This
> >> > > situation is
> >> > > about filling in a temporary gap in our capabilities without delay
> >> > > while we
> >> > > seek a candidate to fill the Development Director position and
> while
> >> we
> >> > > are
> >> > > without a Press Secretary. I am willing to take on those extra
> duties,
> >> > > but
> >> > > can't spend my work week on it without being paid for my time.
> >> > >
> >> > > Some people have suggested that the position be commission only. I
> >> > > would
> >> > > not be comfortable with that. There are advantages in fundraising
> to
> >> my
> >> > > position in the organization that would create the potential for
> very
> >> > > large
> >> > > commissions that would take away from the resources we need to
> spend
> >> on
> >> > > party projects and operations. My preference would be an agreed on
> >> flat
> >> > > hourly rate.
> >> > >
> >> > > Some have suggested that I should do all of the necessary
> fundraising
> >> > > as a
> >> > > volunteer. I would love to be independently wealthy and to be able
> to
> >> > > spend
> >> > > all of my working hours on the position of National Chair, but that
> is
> >> > > not
> >> > > the situation I am in at this point in my life. If the LNC chooses
> not
> >> > > to
> >> > > move in this direction, I will find a different opportunity to
> spend
> >> > > the
> >> > > bulk of my working week on, but I would like to spend that time on
> >> > > doing
> >> > > what the Libertarian Party needs at this critical time.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yours truly,
> >> > > Nick
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the LP.
> It
> >> > >> was
> >> > >> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen
> when
> >> > >> we had
> >> > >> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented itself
> >> now
> >> > >> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we are
> >> > >> talking
> >> > >> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never
> >> > >> elected a
> >> > >> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level decision,
> >> but
> >> > >> one
> >> > >> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the
> >> > >> financial
> >> > >> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not
> fear
> >> > >> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are
> failing.
> >> > >> This is
> >> > >> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect
> to
> >> > >> be
> >> > >> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
> >> > >> includes
> >> > >> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate
> the
> >> > >> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next
> attempt.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively
> >> minimum
> >> > >> risk
> >> > >> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am
> asking
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as a
> >> > >> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would
> reverberate
> >> > >> till
> >> > >> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every
> >> future
> >> > >> LNC
> >> > >> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope)
> will
> >> > >> lead
> >> > >> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have
> >> > >> essentially
> >> > >> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you
> if
> >> > >> you
> >> > >> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC first.
> I
> >> > >> have
> >> > >> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would
> >> > >> indeed
> >> > >> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel of
> >> > >> your
> >> > >> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract
> should
> >> > >> one
> >> > >> be offered?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
> >> > >> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As
> such
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to
> see
> >> if
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> increases our revenue.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ---
> >> > >> Daniel Fishman
> >> > >> Executive Director
> >> > >> The Libertarian Party
> >> > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >>
> >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> >> Caryn.Ann.
> >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> >>
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>
> --
>
> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
> Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
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> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
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> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
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Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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