[Lnc-business] Proposed

Tue Jul 9 18:02:48 EDT 2019

Sorry!  Yes you were and thank you for correcting me.

-Caryn Ann

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:34 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Ask the ED and Chair.  They didn’t treat it that way and waited 10 days to
> inform us.
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:57 PM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I was pushing some urgency.  Given our monetary situation, and how
>> tightly we balanced the budget, it is not my belief that we can have this
>> position sitting empty and job not being done for any amount of time.
>>
>> If I am wrong in that belief, then someone can enlighten me as to why.
>> Then I will pass on to my region why there was apparently no urgency for a
>> dedicated development/fundraiser person right before major ballot access
>> battles in a presidential election year.
>>
>>
>> John Phillips
>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2019 3:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.  From what I can tell, the full LNC was notified on June 28.
>> I
>> understand that Mr. Fishman was not arguing urgency but several LNC
>> members
>> where.  At least to me, the chair and ED's actions by not notifying us
>> immediately means that they certainly did not view this as an urgent
>> situation, and thus, neither will I.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:16 PM Lauren Daugherty <lauren.daugherty at lp.org>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I gave notice on June 18. I wanted to give as much notice as possible,
>> to
>> > help with the transition. I was able to give 6 weeks notice, so I did
>> so. I
>> > could have started my new job sooner but wanted to continue to go above
>> and
>> > beyond for the LP as I exit my position on staff. We are now 3 weeks
>> into
>> > that 6 weeks.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lauren Daugherty
>> > Development Director
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:34 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have an additional point- I keep hearing about the time urgency, but
>> >> when
>> >> did Lauren give her notice?  I know when we were told, but is the same
>> >> day?
>> >> Most businesses at least immediately start recruiting for key
>> positions.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hello Nick,
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't see you advocating for this set-up, but explaining and/or
>> >> > answering many of the questions and concerns that have been voiced.
>> >> > Thank you for that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nor, do I see you advocating for your own financial gain, as the LP
>> >> > can't afford to pay much. You'd make more money in the private
>> sector,
>> >> > than with a cash-strapped non-profit. (The LP)  If anything, you'd
>> be
>> >> > sacrificing potential income under this proposed set-up. I see your
>> >> > explanation in a positive light, and appreciate you even considering
>> >> > such a dual-headache-role.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure having one person doing fundraising and
>> press-secretary, is
>> >> > a good idea. Unless we clone Lauren. She had a 'very particular set
>> of
>> >> > skills', and not easily replaced. (movie pun intentional ; )
>> >> >
>> >> > You've explained how you'd have the time, and willing to take on the
>> >> > dual role.  IF, such an arrangement were made, you'd be not unlike
>> >> > Lauren. You both have young children at home, live in a state a
>> great
>> >> > distance to LPHQ, and would need to travel extensively, behalf of
>> the
>> >> > LP. You have the advantage of being "the Chair", which carries
>> gravitas.
>> >> >   If you stepped down from the Chair position, you'd lose the luster
>> of
>> >> > that position, and I see no benefit to the LP if you were to be "a
>> >> > former Chair", now fundraiser-guy.
>> >> >
>> >> > My biggest concern is whether you'd be able to do what Lauren did.
>> >> > Willingness aside, would you be able to do what is needed? I don't
>> think
>> >> > any of us can answer that.  Much for the LNC to ponder.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers all, and look forward to in-person discussion later this
>> month.
>> >> >
>> >> > EVH
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ---
>> >> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >> > LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> >> > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
>> >> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
>> >> > http://www.lpcaucus.org/
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 2019-07-09 02:34, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> > > Dear All,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I want to directly address the questions Mr. Fishman raised and
>> those
>> >> > > questions that have been raised in the discussion about Mr.
>> Fishman's
>> >> > > proposal that I can answer.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I am no longer involved in day-to-day operations at the car
>> dealership
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > loan company, so am able to accept other full-time employment. If
>> the
>> >> > > LNC
>> >> > > were to approve a contract that was mutually agreeable, I would be
>> >> > > available for full-time efforts as long as necessary.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I agree that creating a salary that would be attached the Chair's
>> >> > > position
>> >> > > would require the approval of the delegates at convention. There
>> are
>> >> > > good
>> >> > > arguments on both sides of that issue as an organization. This
>> >> > > situation is
>> >> > > about filling in a temporary gap in our capabilities without delay
>> >> > > while we
>> >> > > seek a candidate to fill the Development Director position and
>> while
>> >> we
>> >> > > are
>> >> > > without a Press Secretary. I am willing to take on those extra
>> duties,
>> >> > > but
>> >> > > can't spend my work week on it without being paid for my time.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Some people have suggested that the position be commission only. I
>> >> > > would
>> >> > > not be comfortable with that. There are advantages in fundraising
>> to
>> >> my
>> >> > > position in the organization that would create the potential for
>> very
>> >> > > large
>> >> > > commissions that would take away from the resources we need to
>> spend
>> >> on
>> >> > > party projects and operations. My preference would be an agreed on
>> >> flat
>> >> > > hourly rate.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Some have suggested that I should do all of the necessary
>> fundraising
>> >> > > as a
>> >> > > volunteer. I would love to be independently wealthy and to be able
>> to
>> >> > > spend
>> >> > > all of my working hours on the position of National Chair, but
>> that is
>> >> > > not
>> >> > > the situation I am in at this point in my life. If the LNC chooses
>> not
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > move in this direction, I will find a different opportunity to
>> spend
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > bulk of my working week on, but I would like to spend that time on
>> >> > > doing
>> >> > > what the Libertarian Party needs at this critical time.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yours truly,
>> >> > > Nick
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 7:36 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
>> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> One of my long range goals is a permanently paid chair for the
>> LP. It
>> >> > >> was
>> >> > >> further down my agenda list, and I had presumed it would happen
>> when
>> >> > >> we had
>> >> > >> greater financial stability. When the opportunity presented
>> itself
>> >> now
>> >> > >> though, I decided to try it out. And that means if it works we
>> are
>> >> > >> talking
>> >> > >> about the same option for whomever the chair is (and we've never
>> >> > >> elected a
>> >> > >> chair to a 4th terms as far as I'm aware).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Of course a permanently paid chair is a convention level
>> decision,
>> >> but
>> >> > >> one
>> >> > >> that can only be made if we can indeed afford it. Getting the
>> >> > >> financial
>> >> > >> legs to stand on is what you brought me here for.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I'm a big believer in not being afraid to fail. In order to not
>> fear
>> >> > >> failure you must have metrics that can tell you if you are
>> failing.
>> >> > >> This is
>> >> > >> a pretty clear cut one. Any fundraising contractor will be expect
>> to
>> >> > >> be
>> >> > >> raising enough to cover their costs within a few months. And that
>> >> > >> includes
>> >> > >> the Chair. If they can't, that's gets deemed a fail. We terminate
>> the
>> >> > >> experiment, learn from our mistakes and proceed to the next
>> attempt.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> To me this seems like a good roll of the dice, with relatively
>> >> minimum
>> >> > >> risk
>> >> > >> to the LNC. Almost all of the risk is borne by the Chair. I am
>> asking
>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> put the Chair on the hot seat. Should any chair be contracted as
>> a
>> >> > >> fundraiser for the LNC and fail, the ramifications would
>> reverberate
>> >> > >> till
>> >> > >> the next convention. Should the chair succeed he benefits every
>> >> future
>> >> > >> LNC
>> >> > >> chair and future LNC by establishing the precedent that (I hope)
>> will
>> >> > >> lead
>> >> > >> the delegates to approving a permanently paid chair. I have
>> >> > >> essentially
>> >> > >> asked the chair to put his head on the chopping block.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> And it should be pointed out too Mr. Chair, that when I asked you
>> if
>> >> > >> you
>> >> > >> would be amenable you suggested I bring the idea to the LNC
>> first. I
>> >> > >> have
>> >> > >> done so, but you still have not actually indicated that you would
>> >> > >> indeed
>> >> > >> accept the contract. I'm assuming you have been seeking counsel
>> of
>> >> > >> your
>> >> > >> own? Are you prepared to firmly commit to accepting a contract
>> should
>> >> > >> one
>> >> > >> be offered?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The chair is in a unique position to do things that will affect
>> >> > >> fundraising, such as media appearances, published articles. As
>> such
>> >> > >> the
>> >> > >> unique position is one I think the LNC should try paying for to
>> see
>> >> if
>> >> > >> it
>> >> > >> increases our revenue.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> ---
>> >> > >> Daniel Fishman
>> >> > >> Executive Director
>> >> > >> The Libertarian Party
>> >> > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >>
>> >> *  In Liberty,*
>> >>
>> >> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> >> Caryn.Ann.
>> >> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> >> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> >> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>> >>
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>>
>> --
>>
>> *  In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *-
>> Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
>> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
>> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
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>> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
>> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
>> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income
>> Tax
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> *  In Liberty,*
>
> *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
> *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
> Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
> facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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> Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
> Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
> Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
> Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
> * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
> * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
> Eliminate Regulation *
>
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*  In Liberty,*

*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> or Secretary at LP.org.
*Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia at LP.org
Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at
facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All
Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End
Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax
* Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services
* Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector *
Eliminate Regulation *

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