[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 190711-1 MOTION TO CENSURE BENJAMIN LEDER

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I would like to say something that is the heart of the reason why I said
yes.  And it wasn't an easy yes.  I know Mr. Leder, and I am grieved as for
whatever is going on in his life that made him so angry, he never acted
anything but polite to me personally though I understand other people had
severely negative interactions.  I personally disassociated a while ago
because of the way he treated another dear friend.

Now, please peruse this Wikipedia article in which former chair Dasbach is
mentioned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_pledge

The idea that McVeigh claimed to be a libertarian was probably unknown to
most people until after that act, but the media sure made it known after
the fact.

Now imagine both McVeigh and domestic terroristic statements while not just
claiming to be a libertarian, but a Libertarian, and a Libertarian
presidential candidate to boot, were well known to the Party ahead of time.

How do you think we would have looked if silent?  Do we think "this is a
waste of time" or any of our other excuses would sound reasonable to the
families?

Mr. Leder clearly is advocating violence for political goals exactly what
the state would love to pin on us.  I hope he gets whatever assistance he
needs to get his mind out of such a dark place, and yes, our words won't
"change" anything.  But neither does expression of sympathy after terror.
But we quickly offer one.  How about taking a stand before the fact to one
thing that we all agree on.  Political violence is the opposite of being
Libertarian.

But I think we are wrong in another way.  Words do mean something and
change things.  Just because they can't do that one thing doesn't mean they
do nothing.

-Caryn Ann

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can effect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  I am asking you to help
me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*



On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 6:04 AM Steven Nekhaila <steven.nekhaila at lp.org>
wrote:

> I vote AYE to censure Ben Leder. It is important to distance ourselves
> from individuals who are harrassing members in this way and have a history
> of violent behavior while making direct threats against our convention and
> attendees.
>
> When FL had threats made against its 2017 convention, several of us
> pitched in and hired private security.
>
> Motioning to censure is literally the least we can do, we must take some
> sort of action. Sometimes doing nothing is a net benefit, but I do not
> believe standing idle while threats are being made is ever the appropriate
> action in these instances.
>
> If threats escalate or continue we will take ever more appropriate action.
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
>
> impotentes defendere liberatum non possunt
> “Those without power cannot defend freedom”
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2019 at 6:49 PM, <Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>> wrote:
>
> Yes.
>
> My reason is very specific as I have been asked why support this motion
> over all the horrible things said.  First, this is the motion that was
> made.  I am not going to mine the subjunctive on motions not made.  But on
> this one it is the domestic terrorism angle which is what our pledge exists
> to protect us against.  That we are not domestic terrorists.  If we cannot
> condemn these statements then we are betraying the purpose of our pledge,
> domestic terrorism is specifically the use of force to achieve political
> goals.
>
> That was the line for me.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can effect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  I am asking you to help
> me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:42 AM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > I vote aye and hope that the rest of my colleagues will see the value in
> > making a statement that says we are willing to protect our brand.
> >
> > In Liberty,
> > Joshua Smith
> >
> > On Jul 11, 2019 10:25 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > BALLOT 190711-1 MOTION TO CENSURE BENJAMIN LEDER
> >
> > We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >
> > Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 18, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm
> > Pacific time.
> >
> > Co-Sponsors:  Harlos, Longstreth, Nekhaila, Phillips, Smith
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> >
> > Motion: WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be
> > elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United
> > States;
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly
> > against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any
> > representative of the Libertarian Party;
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic
> > terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee
> > members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in
> > cases
> > not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in
> > media, and  posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate
> > of domestic terrorism on peaceful people,  including calling for an
> > ""Oklahoma City style"" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican
> > conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus
> > putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful
> > people and ""leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the
> > garbage man"";
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian
> > Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive
> > violence
> > and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such
> > statements
> > with our Party defames its members and brand; and
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions
> > by
> > Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles
> > of the Libertarian Party.
> >
> > =============================================
> >
> > THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Majority.
> >
> >
> > You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> > https://tinyurl.com/ballot190711-1.  Votes are noted with a link to the
> > actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual
> > tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
> >
> > Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >
> > *  In Liberty,*
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can effect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  I am asking you to
> > help
> > me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
> >
> >
> >
>
>