[Lnc-business] Why moving the list to Google is a bad idea

[Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair)]

For those who want to learn more about a google group and its features.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/126169?hl=en

https://www.chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/all-things-google-google-groups/27675

Also, The Sunlight foundation an organization whose sole purpose is government transparency makes use of google groups.

https://sunlightfoundation.com/2010/07/08/tools-for-transparency-google-groups/

I generally am a big fan of gsuites and the organizational, archival, and security benefits of their services. I’m not sure I see the the security or transparency downside. Also making the list more readable and function for the public seems like a plus. Considering how often the current reflector list breakdown and becomes hard to read why not just use something that works and not waste time on fixing something secure and more prone to breaking again in the future as technology updates.

Alex Merced
Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP

> On Jul 31, 2019, at 5:16 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
> Pretty sure Dan said it was actually a step up
> 
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
> 
> On Jul 31, 2019 4:00 PM, Dustin Nanna via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Probably a dumb question, but will it be a step down in security to switch entirely to Google??
> 
> On Jul 31, 2019 3:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> LPCO does too.  But our email needs are apples and oranges. 
> 
> Dan, I have several more things related to this I want to bounce off you, 
> can we make an appt? 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:48 PM brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business < 
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
> 
> > LP California uses G Suites.  It works quite well, generally speaking. 
> > Only a few occasional issues.  Personally I am not opposed to this 
> > switch. 
> > 
> > -Brent 
> > 
> > On 2019-07-31 11:53, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote: 
> > > What I am proposing is to move the entire mail service for lists to a 
> > > google group -- not a redirection, reflector or anything else. The 
> > > current 
> > > system requires an engineer to fix things when they break. The new 
> > > system 
> > > will not. I believe in turnkey everything that you can. Groups are also 
> > > optimized for both mobile and desktop users. 
> > > 
> > > Read more about google groups at : 
> > > 
> > > https://groups.google.com/a/lphq.org/forum/#!overview 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dan 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- 
> > > Daniel Fishman 
> > > Executive Director 
> > > The Libertarian Party 
> > > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:25 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < 
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
> > > 
> > >> I’ll dig out the prior emails with details. 
> > >> 
> > >> But first and foremost, we already have a google list. 
> > >> 
> > >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:13 AM John Phillips <john.phillips at lp.org> 
> > >> wrote: 
> > >> 
> > >> > I personally do not understand the objection to the change - I do 
> > >> > understand the objection to the change being made by a single person's 
> > >> > decision since it directly impacts the interaction of the LNC and the 
> > >> > members. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > If there is an objection to the change it absolutely should be 
> > discussed. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Caryn Ann if you would indulge me and try to help me understand your 
> > >> > objection I will absolutely listen.  Perhaps it is something than can 
> > be 
> > >> > addressed in a way that solves the problems AND addresses your 
> > >> objections. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > John Phillips 
> > >> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative 
> > >> > Cell 217-412-5973 
> > >> > 
> > >> > On Jul 31, 2019 10:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < 
> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
> > >> > 
> > >> > It is if the LNC objects.  I, as an officer, on behalf of the member 
> > who 
> > >> > is 
> > >> > responsible for getting the bylaws transparency provision passed, am 
> > >> > objecting. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > I trust that Mr. Fishman isn’t interested in implementing something 
> > that 
> > >> > will deeply upset some of them our long term dedicated members and 
> > former 
> > >> > LNC officers have themselves. 
> > >> > 
> > >> > -Caryn Ann 
> > >> > 
> > >> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:38 AM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < 
> > >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
> > >> > 
> > >> > > Currently, it is not outside of the scope of the ED to change the 
> > >> email. 
> > >> > > At least, not as far as I can tell in the bylaws and policy manual. 
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > -Joshua 
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > On Jul 31, 2019 5:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < 
> > >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote: 
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > Well not really but I don't' think anyone realizes the list is 
> > ALREADY 
> > >> > on 
> > >> > > google.  We don't need two google lists.  We need to fix the one we 
> > >> > have, 
> > >> > > and the current google list will have to suffice until then, but 
> > Chuck 
> > >> > > Moulton is right to be alarmed we are going to kill off the google 
> > >> list. 
> > >> > > I 
> > >> > > don't think this is an ED only decision and would object to any 
> > >> > unilateral 
> > >> > > decision on his or his and the chair's part. 
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > *  In Liberty,* 
> > >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's 
> > Syndrome 
> > >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
> > >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
> > anyone 
> > >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
> > >> > faux 
> > >> > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me 
> > know. 
> > >> * 
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > -- 
> > >> > 
> > >> > *In Liberty,* 
> > >> > 
> > >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
> > >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
> > >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
> > anyone 
> > >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
> > faux 
> > >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  * 
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > -- 
> > >> 
> > >> *In Liberty,* 
> > >> 
> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
> > >> anyone 
> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
> > >> faux 
> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  * 
> > >> 
> > 
> > -- 
> 
> *In Liberty,* 
> 
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome 
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal 
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone 
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux 
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  * 
> 
> 
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