[Lnc-business] Why moving the list to Google is a bad idea

[Steven Nekhaila]

Dear All,

Keep in mind that the Libertarian Party scored LAST on our security 
scorecard, behind the DNC and GOP, with the Greens scoring highest.

I have used G Suite before for Ultracoin.io and my company and I can say 
that not only does Google have ironclad security employing the top 
experts in Silicone Valley and backed by a nearly uncapped Fortune 15 
budget, G Suite also offers top shelf applications to go along with it. 
I encourage the switch and believe it's an important step towards 
further professionalizing the Party's infrastructure.

In Liberty,

Steven Nekhaila
Region 2 Representative
Libertarian National Committee

Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
"Those without power cannot defend freedom"

On 2019-07-31 05:16 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
> Pretty sure Dan said it was actually a step up
> 
> John Phillips
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> Cell 217-412-5973
> 
> On Jul 31, 2019 4:00 PM, Dustin Nanna via Lnc-business
> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> Probably a dumb question, but will it be a step down in security to
>> switch entirely to Google??
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2019 3:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> LPCO does too.  But our email needs are apples and oranges.
>>> 
>>> Dan, I have several more things related to this I want to bounce
>>> off you,
>>> can we make an appt?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 1:48 PM brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> LP California uses G Suites.  It works quite well, generally
>>> speaking.
>>>> Only a few occasional issues.  Personally I am not opposed to
>>> this
>>>> switch.
>>>> 
>>>> -Brent
>>>> 
>>>> On 2019-07-31 11:53, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>>> What I am proposing is to move the entire mail service for
>>> lists to a
>>>>> google group -- not a redirection, reflector or anything else.
>>> The
>>>>> current
>>>>> system requires an engineer to fix things when they break. The
>>> new
>>>>> system
>>>>> will not. I believe in turnkey everything that you can. Groups
>>> are also
>>>>> optimized for both mobile and desktop users.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Read more about google groups at :
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/lphq.org/forum/#!overview
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Daniel Fishman
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> The Libertarian Party
>>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:25 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ll dig out the prior emails with details.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But first and foremost, we already have a google list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:13 AM John Phillips
>>> <john.phillips at lp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I personally do not understand the objection to the change
>>> - I do
>>>>>>> understand the objection to the change being made by a
>>> single person's
>>>>>>> decision since it directly impacts the interaction of the
>>> LNC and the
>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If there is an objection to the change it absolutely should
>>> be
>>>> discussed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Caryn Ann if you would indulge me and try to help me
>>> understand your
>>>>>>> objection I will absolutely listen.  Perhaps it is
>>> something than can
>>>> be
>>>>>>> addressed in a way that solves the problems AND addresses
>>> your
>>>>>> objections.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John Phillips
>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2019 10:01 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> <
>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is if the LNC objects.  I, as an officer, on behalf of
>>> the member
>>>> who
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> responsible for getting the bylaws transparency provision
>>> passed, am
>>>>>>> objecting.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I trust that Mr. Fishman isn’t interested in implementing
>>> something
>>>> that
>>>>>>> will deeply upset some of them our long term dedicated
>>> members and
>>>> former
>>>>>>> LNC officers have themselves.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:38 AM Joshua Smith via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> > Currently, it is not outside of the scope of the ED to
>>> change the
>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>> > At least, not as far as I can tell in the bylaws and
>>> policy manual.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > -Joshua
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Jul 31, 2019 5:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>>>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Well not really but I don't' think anyone realizes the
>>> list is
>>>> ALREADY
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > google.  We don't need two google lists.  We need to fix
>>> the one we
>>>>>>> have,
>>>>>>> > and the current google list will have to suffice until
>>> then, but
>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> > Moulton is right to be alarmed we are going to kill off
>>> the google
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>> > don't think this is an ED only decision and would object
>>> to any
>>>>>>> unilateral
>>>>>>> > decision on his or his and the chair's part.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > *  In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>>>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas.  If
>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other social
>>>>>>> faux
>>>>>>> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and
>>> let me
>>>> know.
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's Syndrome
>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas.  If
>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other social
>>>> faux
>>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  *
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>>> If
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social
>>>>>> faux
>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  *
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>> 
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> 
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.  *