[Lnc-business] Director of Development

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Ambiguities should not be exploited to overcome known objections. That is
old party shennagins.

And are we back to silence is consent?

Seriously?

This gets worse and worse.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 7:06 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Longstreth,
>
> A copy of the proposed contract was sent to EPCC on October 20. There is an
> ambiguity as to whether this provision applies to contractors as opposed to
> employees. If it does apply, the contract is not proposed to be effective
> until November 4, which is more than 10 days after the contract was
> provided to the EPCC. I am not aware of any EPCC concerns about the
> contract as proposed, nor do I think Mr. Fishman would have made the
> announcement of the selection to the LNC if there was an known concern or
> objection.
>
> Yours truly,
> Nick
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 6:43 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > Erin nailed it. A contract was offered with EPCC approval contrary to our
> > policy manual. Everything else aside, there is a clear violation in this.
> > What is the next appropriate course of action? I ask the question to Nick
> > or anyone more familiar with such procedures or precedent.
> >
> > Richard Longstreth
> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
> > 931.538.9300
> >
> > Sent from my Mobile Device
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 12:49 Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Unfortunately it appears that a contract was offered without either
> EPCC
> > > Aproval of said contract at least 10 days prior nor an affirmative vote
> > > from a majority of the membership of the LNC.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 28, 2019 1:51 PM, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business <
> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Furthermore, Section 4 of the policy manual states :
> > > "The Chair shall provide advice and consent to the Executive Director
> on
> > > the appointment, employment, and termination of all LPHQ personnel."
> > >
> > > Leaving the discretion of hiring solely to the Executive Director, with
> > > the consent of The Chair, not the LNC.
> > >
> > > This was also a contentious issue that we recently debated amending,
> > > during an Electronic meeting earlier this year, ahead of the search for
> > > a new Executive Director, and this clause was not amended due to
> > > concerns by Members of the LNC that we were teetering on overstepping
> > > our bounds in micromanaging the daily business of HQ by inserting
> > > ourselves into hiring decisions by the Executive Director.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Yours in Liberty,
> > >
> > > Justin O'Donnell
> > > LNC Region 8 Representative
> > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
> > > www.justinodonnell.me
> > > www.odonnell2020.com
> > >
> > > Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
> > >
> > > On 2019-10-28 14:18, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > > > Interesting.  I doubt the intention was to blind-side the LNC with
> > > > secrecy and have us completely unaware until it was fait accompli.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:13 PM Justin O'Donnell
> > > > <justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> With regards to the LNC needing to approve all director level
> > > >> contracts,
> > > >> the Policy manual states this is not the case.
> > > >>
> > > >> Section 8 of the Policy manual states:
> > > >> "Following General Counsel’s review of a director-level employment
> > > >>
> > > >> contract, the EPCC shall review the proposed contract and any
> > > >> related
> > > >> advice from General Counsel. No such contract may be signed by the
> > > >> Chair
> > > >> without having first obtained either EPCC approval of the contract
> > > >> at
> > > >> least 10 days prior, or an affirmative vote from a majority of the
> > > >> fixed
> > > >> membership of the LNC."
> > > >>
> > > >> The Chair would only need the affirmative vote of the LNC to sign
> > > >> and
> > > >> effect a contract without the requisite 10 day review period from
> > > >> the
> > > >> EPRC.
> > > >> If I remember correctly, this was a major point of contention when
> > > >> we
> > > >> debated amending it at our July 2018 LNC Meeting before the start of
> > > >> the
> > > >> NOLA Convention, but as the policy manual currently reads, there is
> > > >> no
> > > >> need for an affirmative vote of the entire LNC in order to approve a
> > > >>
> > > >> director level contract that has been cleared by Counsel and the
> > > >> EPRC.
> > > >>
> > > >> ---
> > > >> Yours in Liberty,
> > > >>
> > > >> Justin O'Donnell
> > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
> > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
> > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
> > > >>
> > > >> Renew your membership today at
> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
> > > >> !
> > > >>
> > > >> On 2019-10-28 13:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > >>> I have several other concerns Mr Smith. I think the qualifications
> > > >> are
> > > >>> not
> > > >>> as Mr Fishman stated and there is a pattern of no longer than 6
> > > >> months
> > > >>> or
> > > >>> so at any position.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> And it is my understanding that Ms Daugherty was told by Mr
> > > >> Sarwark
> > > >>> that
> > > >>> all director level hires must be approved by LNC.  How is this
> > > >> final
> > > >>> without our approval??
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> > > >>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Ms Harlos, I haven't told anyone to not exercise their rights.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> IF you wish to have no further interaction, then stop replying
> > > >> with
> > > >>>> false
> > > >>>> accusations.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This is a public list, and I will not let a false accusation go
> > > >>>> unanswered.
> > > >>>> ---
> > > >>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > >>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 2019-10-28 12:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> EVH.  We are not familiar and I request you stick to formalities.
> > > >> You
> > > >>>> are
> > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert.  And telling someone
> > > >> to
> > > >>>> not
> > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> > > >>>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email back in
> > > >>
> > > >>>>> July,
> > > >>>>> one of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder
> > > >> in
> > > >>>>> 4th
> > > >>>>> grade.  (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
> > > >> pointing
> > > >>>>> out
> > > >>>>> that you were rude.   Yet, you persist with threats and
> > > >> accusations.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC members
> > > >>
> > > >>>>> pointing
> > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you need is
> > > >> beyond
> > > >>>>> our
> > > >>>>> ability.  You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ---
> > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>
> > > >>> *In Liberty,*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > > >> Syndrome
> > > >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > >> anyone
> > > >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > >> social
> > > >>> faux
> > > >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > > >  --
> > > >
> > > > IN LIBERTY,
> > > >
> > > > __
> > > >
> > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Links:
> > > > ------
> > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
> > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
-- 

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *