[Lnc-business] Director of Development

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I will extract the video if possible of the very vocal objections.

I will assume the characterization of no known objections is an unfortunate
misremembrance.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 7:12 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Ambiguities should not be exploited to overcome known objections. That is
> old party shennagins.
>
> And are we back to silence is consent?
>
> Seriously?
>
> This gets worse and worse.
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 7:06 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. Longstreth,
>>
>> A copy of the proposed contract was sent to EPCC on October 20. There is
>> an
>> ambiguity as to whether this provision applies to contractors as opposed
>> to
>> employees. If it does apply, the contract is not proposed to be effective
>> until November 4, which is more than 10 days after the contract was
>> provided to the EPCC. I am not aware of any EPCC concerns about the
>> contract as proposed, nor do I think Mr. Fishman would have made the
>> announcement of the selection to the LNC if there was an known concern or
>> objection.
>>
>> Yours truly,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 6:43 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Erin nailed it. A contract was offered with EPCC approval contrary to
>> our
>> > policy manual. Everything else aside, there is a clear violation in
>> this.
>> > What is the next appropriate course of action? I ask the question to
>> Nick
>> > or anyone more familiar with such procedures or precedent.
>> >
>> > Richard Longstreth
>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > 931.538.9300
>> >
>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 12:49 Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Unfortunately it appears that a contract was offered without either
>> EPCC
>> > > Aproval of said contract at least 10 days prior nor an affirmative
>> vote
>> > > from a majority of the membership of the LNC.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Oct 28, 2019 1:51 PM, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Furthermore, Section 4 of the policy manual states :
>> > > "The Chair shall provide advice and consent to the Executive Director
>> on
>> > > the appointment, employment, and termination of all LPHQ personnel."
>> > >
>> > > Leaving the discretion of hiring solely to the Executive Director,
>> with
>> > > the consent of The Chair, not the LNC.
>> > >
>> > > This was also a contentious issue that we recently debated amending,
>> > > during an Electronic meeting earlier this year, ahead of the search
>> for
>> > > a new Executive Director, and this clause was not amended due to
>> > > concerns by Members of the LNC that we were teetering on overstepping
>> > > our bounds in micromanaging the daily business of HQ by inserting
>> > > ourselves into hiring decisions by the Executive Director.
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > Yours in Liberty,
>> > >
>> > > Justin O'Donnell
>> > > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> > > www.justinodonnell.me
>> > > www.odonnell2020.com
>> > >
>> > > Renew your membership today at https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
>> !
>> > >
>> > > On 2019-10-28 14:18, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > > Interesting.  I doubt the intention was to blind-side the LNC with
>> > > > secrecy and have us completely unaware until it was fait accompli.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:13 PM Justin O'Donnell
>> > > > <justin.odonnell at lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> With regards to the LNC needing to approve all director level
>> > > >> contracts,
>> > > >> the Policy manual states this is not the case.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Section 8 of the Policy manual states:
>> > > >> "Following General Counsel’s review of a director-level employment
>> > > >>
>> > > >> contract, the EPCC shall review the proposed contract and any
>> > > >> related
>> > > >> advice from General Counsel. No such contract may be signed by the
>> > > >> Chair
>> > > >> without having first obtained either EPCC approval of the contract
>> > > >> at
>> > > >> least 10 days prior, or an affirmative vote from a majority of the
>> > > >> fixed
>> > > >> membership of the LNC."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The Chair would only need the affirmative vote of the LNC to sign
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> effect a contract without the requisite 10 day review period from
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> EPRC.
>> > > >> If I remember correctly, this was a major point of contention when
>> > > >> we
>> > > >> debated amending it at our July 2018 LNC Meeting before the start
>> of
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> NOLA Convention, but as the policy manual currently reads, there is
>> > > >> no
>> > > >> need for an affirmative vote of the entire LNC in order to approve
>> a
>> > > >>
>> > > >> director level contract that has been cleared by Counsel and the
>> > > >> EPRC.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ---
>> > > >> Yours in Liberty,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Justin O'Donnell
>> > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
>> > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Renew your membership today at
>> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
>> > > >> !
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 2019-10-28 13:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > >>> I have several other concerns Mr Smith. I think the qualifications
>> > > >> are
>> > > >>> not
>> > > >>> as Mr Fishman stated and there is a pattern of no longer than 6
>> > > >> months
>> > > >>> or
>> > > >>> so at any position.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> And it is my understanding that Ms Daugherty was told by Mr
>> > > >> Sarwark
>> > > >>> that
>> > > >>> all director level hires must be approved by LNC.  How is this
>> > > >> final
>> > > >>> without our approval??
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
>> > > >>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Ms Harlos, I haven't told anyone to not exercise their rights.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> IF you wish to have no further interaction, then stop replying
>> > > >> with
>> > > >>>> false
>> > > >>>> accusations.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> This is a public list, and I will not let a false accusation go
>> > > >>>> unanswered.
>> > > >>>> ---
>> > > >>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > >>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On 2019-10-28 12:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> EVH.  We are not familiar and I request you stick to formalities.
>> > > >> You
>> > > >>>> are
>> > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert.  And telling someone
>> > > >> to
>> > > >>>> not
>> > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
>> > > >>>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email back in
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>>> July,
>> > > >>>>> one of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder
>> > > >> in
>> > > >>>>> 4th
>> > > >>>>> grade.  (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
>> > > >> pointing
>> > > >>>>> out
>> > > >>>>> that you were rude.   Yet, you persist with threats and
>> > > >> accusations.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC members
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>>> pointing
>> > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you need is
>> > > >> beyond
>> > > >>>>> our
>> > > >>>>> ability.  You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> ---
>> > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> --
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> *In Liberty,*
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > > >> Syndrome
>> > > >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > > >> anyone
>> > > >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > > >> social
>> > > >>> faux
>> > > >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > >  --
>> > > >
>> > > > IN LIBERTY,
>> > > >
>> > > > __
>> > > >
>> > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Links:
>> > > > ------
>> > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
>> > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *