[Lnc-business] Director of Development

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I am reposting some of my comments that took place in a private
discussion.  The only thing I consent to having in a private discussion
outside of member views is anything discussing salary or confidential
names.  The public list apparently has had multiple posts deleted without
consent as well.  I demand the restoration of my posts.  If inadvertent
posting of confidential information needs to be scrubbed, that''s fine, but
I want the substance of my comments restored.  I believe Ms. Adams made a
similar demand.

Here are my reposted comments from a private discussion that I didn't
realize was taken private, I had assumed it was still going to the public
list.  I am not including parts that require disclosure of other people's
conversations who have not decided to make public.  I can decide that only
for myself.


Here is what I want.

Unwind this.  Start over cleanly.

Demand answers to previous questions.

Is Mr. Fishman paid for CPAC planning?

Why wasn’t his CPAC involvement disclosed?

Why did Mr Fishman give a different public story than he said to Ms Adams
about his “introduction” of Weld?

Was Mr Sarwark offered a job by Weld, even if informally?

And I’d like each LNC member to state their view (silence is a view) on Mr
Sarwark’s open endorsement as party chair of Weld.

That’s a start.

And I want the truth about Lauren, but I doubt we will get that.


*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:54 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> And I see this is not on the public list.  Unless we are discussing
> confidential names, this needs to be public.  I am reposting my comments to
> the public list.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I have reviewed the language of the resolution which directs the hiring
>> of a development director and 1 to 2 development staffers or contractors.
>> It is clear to me that the intent was that the DD be an employee not a
>> contractor.  And while I am not opposed to a contractor, I am opposed to
>> using that designation to skirt the requirement for EPCC approval.
>> Further, Mr. Fishman acknowledged the clear spirit of the policy manual was
>> to include this position because the operative term was DIRECTOR, not
>> employment.  And I would argue that a contracting contract IS an employment
>> contract under that provision.  The provision makes absolutely NO sense if
>> it is not.  And by providing the contract to the EPCC to honor the spirit
>> of that provision, an approval is required.  It was not given.
>>
>> All of this weaseling around is unworthy of the Party of Principle.
>>
>> ==Caryn Ann, I think your questions are good ones and ones that we should
>> know the answers to.===
>>
>> Thank you Mr. Longstreth, and for the edification of the reading
>> membership, we TRIED to get these answers privately.  We were ignored.  I
>> personally am not fine with the idea that the LNC as a body does not care
>> if there was an offer of employment to Mr. Sarwark by Mr. Weld during the
>> same period of time that Lauren was allowed to leave without any attempts
>> to keep her and Mr. Sarwark is publicly endorsing Mr. Weld.  And a $75/hour
>> contract sprung on us, argued for by Mr. Fishman, who was hired by Mr.
>> Sarwark, who then introduces Mr. Weld, also effectively endorsing him!  And
>> then, an MA Republican insider is being given the keys to our donor list
>> and I am supposed to believe there is connection to Weld?  That is
>> impossible.  I would have expected the reasonable answer to be that it is
>> not her fault that she happened to live in MA where Mr. Weld is influential
>> and thus it is unavoidable to not have some connection.   There is far too
>> much that stinks here.
>>
>> And as far the assurances that the new hire is a libertarian, well,
>> within the past year there has been public support for red flag laws and
>> interest in very pro military industrial complex organizations.
>>
>> Did anyone bother to vet twitter or Linked-In to at least deal with these
>> issues head on?  What kind of due diligence was done?
>>
>> I am not okay with any of this.
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:02 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I want my post restored or reposted.  I do not consent to being censored
>>> because someone else inadvertently posted private information.
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:23 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To respond to Representative Longstreth, I am aware of one post by Mr.
>>>> Fishman as well as one by myself and one by Secretary Harlos that because
>>>> of posting order contained "reflections" of Mr. Fishmans post that ALL
>>>> could have simply been edited to remove "sensitive" detail instead of total
>>>> deletion. It is my belief that there were indeed others removed but I cant
>>>> swear positively to that
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 11:07 PM, Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like an explanation of what has been removed and why. I suspect
>>>> it may have to do with content and legal areas but until that is confirmed,
>>>> I also object to censoring the public record.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 20:58 Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I want to go on record here that I am most definitely not okay with the
>>>> direction delete posts vs editing out information that should not have been
>>>> sent to the list to begin with being given.
>>>>
>>>> I object to that being done
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 10:31 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If I ever fail in my duty point it out.  I failed in my duty to Mr.
>>>> Hauptmann.  We have potential corruption and if it’s rude to demand that
>>>> everyone take that seriously, then I will be rude AF.  I’m in region 1 and
>>>> the immediate past representative.  I feel some duty to them and always
>>>> will.  And I question every representative if they have proactively
>>>> consulted their region.  And I will always do that.  And I honestly don’t
>>>> care if anyone thinks that’s outside my lane.  I will always strive to word
>>>> it diplomatically but it seems the offense is to the right to even ask the
>>>> question, not the wording.  Too bad.  I’ll always question every regional
>>>> representative.  Most certainly my own.
>>>>
>>>> Here is what I want.
>>>>
>>>> Unwind this.  Start over cleanly.
>>>>
>>>> Demand answers to previous questions.
>>>>
>>>> Is Mr. Fishman paid for CPAC planning?
>>>>
>>>> Why wasn’t his CPAC involvement disclosed?
>>>>
>>>> Why did Mr Fishman give a different public story than he said to Ms
>>>> Adams about his “introduction” of Weld?
>>>>
>>>> Was Mr Sarwark offered a job by Weld, even if informally?
>>>>
>>>> And I’d like each LNC member to state their view (silence is a view) on
>>>> Mr Sarwark’s open endorsement as party chair of Weld.
>>>>
>>>> That’s a start.
>>>>
>>>> And I want the truth about Lauren, but I doubt we will get that.
>>>>
>>>> I am asking the
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:17 PM Richard Longstreth <
>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As stated in my previous email, I am fine if we disagree with how I see
>>>> things. Regardless, my question still is, what are the next steps? I have
>>>> proposed a direction to go that would improve the party. What do you want
>>>> to see done? Are you demanding someone's resignation? A censure? Please let
>>>> me know. As to your wording Ina rude manner, you were rude. I'll get over
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> This is not something anyone in the region has approached me about
>>>> (this or other items we have discussed) and I always welcome input. My
>>>> phone, email, and Facebook are all very public. I am happy to hear all
>>>> thoughts and, in the absence of input, I try to be the best representative
>>>> I can and work toward the betterment of our party. Complaining about the
>>>> actions is one thing; trying to take a bad situation and turn it into
>>>> something which helps the party is something else. Further, you have
>>>> absolutely no right to imply that I am failing in representing my region
>>>> and I would appreciate it if you stayed in your lane. I do not publicly
>>>> allege that you are failing in some secretarial roles and when you do err,
>>>> I recognize that mistakes happen. I believe I am owed the same courtesy.
>>>>
>>>> I ask again what action or result would you like this body to work
>>>> toward? I've already shared my thoughts but am open to other viable ideas
>>>> if you have them.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Longstreth
>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> 931.538.9300
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 20:03 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>> And I don’t consent to my posts being deleted.  If some info needs to be
>>>> scrubbed, repost the rest.
>>>>
>>>> This girl is done carrying water.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:00 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I am not inclined to just let this lay. Too many issues. I suggest
>>>> that we
>>>> > indeed start over and this time, do things properly and above board.
>>>> >
>>>> > I find it ironic that tonight I'll be the one to say Carry that
>>>> water, yet
>>>> > that is what Im saying
>>>> >
>>>> > On Oct 28, 2019 9:49 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Mr Longstreth.  Enough is enough.  I have no more benefit of the
>>>> doubt to
>>>> > give.  This isn’t a matter of being 100%, it’s a matter of not even
>>>> being
>>>> > a
>>>> > Party member.
>>>> >
>>>> > Our objections were clear.
>>>> >
>>>> > The intent of the policy manual is clear.
>>>> >
>>>> > The fact that we are intentionally blind-sided is clear.
>>>> >
>>>> > The fact she is not qualified - to me - is clear and to the numerous
>>>> angry
>>>> > member phone calls I’ve fielded is clear.
>>>> >
>>>> > The fact that smoke is being blown up my behind about a MA politico
>>>> having
>>>> > no ties to Weld (that’s impossible) is clear.
>>>> >
>>>> > The fact that this is just another in a long series of completely
>>>> improper
>>>> > entanglements never disclosed to the LNC is clear.
>>>> >
>>>> > Did we give authority to hire a co tractor that would require no
>>>> approval?
>>>> >
>>>> > WE DO NOT PLANT LIBERTY SEEDS WITH OUR DONOR LIST.  This is not
>>>> > evangelism.  I can’t believe I even have to say that.
>>>> >
>>>> > I’m second guessing remaining a donor at this point, and that’s
>>>> pathetic.
>>>> >
>>>> > There’s been too much “oh well what’s done is done.”
>>>> >
>>>> > You know what’s done? My tolerance for this.
>>>> >
>>>> > And we’ve never received an answer to whether Mr Fishman was paid to
>>>> plan
>>>> > for COAC.  Why even an unpaid was never disclosed?  Either a
>>>> disclosure or
>>>> > denial that Mr Sarwark was offered - even if wink wink informally - a
>>>> job
>>>> > with Mr Weld prior to trying to get a paid position with the party
>>>> funded
>>>> > by unnamed donors.
>>>> >
>>>> > The cumulative case stinks and I’m done sweeping it under the rug.
>>>> >
>>>> > And - I’m trying to word this in a non-rude manner - I don’t think
>>>> Region
>>>> > 1
>>>> > shares your sentiments.  Perhaps they do.  I’ve been out of the
>>>> loop.  I
>>>> > am
>>>> > pretty sure that LPCO is not.  I am medium sure LPWA is not - the two
>>>> > largest constituencies.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dan and Nick are not victims here.  And our questioning is not
>>>> harassing
>>>> > them.  It is doing our duty and it’s about time we all started doing
>>>> it.
>>>> >
>>>> > We were not told the truth about Lauren.  Never forget that.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 8:02 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
>>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Too many threads out there. I'm going to break this down as simply
>>>> as I
>>>> > can
>>>> > > and put it here and here only. I have feelings on all of this but
>>>> if I
>>>> > take
>>>> > > a step back, here is how I am seeing things at this point. It is ok
>>>> if
>>>> > you
>>>> > > disagree but let's figure out the next steps.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1) A contract was offered and was sent to the EPCC even though that
>>>> part
>>>> > of
>>>> > > the PM deals with 'Directors'. The role in question was changed to a
>>>> > > contracted director (read contractor) and so there is definitely
>>>> some
>>>> > grey
>>>> > > as to how all of this should have been handled. I also note the
>>>> lack of
>>>> > > clear definitions. If the contract was required to be submitted, it
>>>> did
>>>> > not
>>>> > > receive approval but if it was for a contractor, no approval needed.
>>>> > News
>>>> > > flash: our policy manual needs some work to fix and clarify these
>>>> things
>>>> > > for the future. Mr. O'Donnell had several suggestions at a previous
>>>> > meeting
>>>> > > and it may be worth revisiting them.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 2) Our new DD is not 100% in line with our philosophies. I agree
>>>> that
>>>> > this
>>>> > > is a concern, however, I would also note that very rarely does
>>>> someone
>>>> > > score a 10-10 on the Nolan quiz and we still welcome them into our
>>>> folds
>>>> > > and plant more liberty seeds along the way. The selected candidate
>>>> meets
>>>> > > all of the criteria that we voted on and approved, albeit, the
>>>> feeling
>>>> > of
>>>> > > the room was clear, but it was not in our explicit direction. Do I
>>>> wish
>>>> > she
>>>> > > was more libertarian, absolutely - I look forward to getting to
>>>> know her
>>>> > > more and find out where she disagrees with us and seeing if we can
>>>> > change
>>>> > > that. Until that time and given where we are at in the process,
>>>> offer,
>>>> > etc
>>>> > > now, should we not utilize her skills and experience and trust in
>>>> our
>>>> > ED's
>>>> > > selection and Chair's approval? Our only other option is to revoke
>>>> the
>>>> > > contract, pay her whatever severance fee and start over. I'm not
>>>> over
>>>> > the
>>>> > > moon on that one.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 3) So, where exactly do we go from here? Do we harass Dan until he
>>>> says
>>>> > he
>>>> > > has done wrong? Resigns? Do we go after Oliver and Nick for
>>>> approving?
>>>> > Are
>>>> > > we just raising flags to bring public attention and if so, what's
>>>> the
>>>> > > actual point unless you are campaigning (which is not the purpose of
>>>> > this
>>>> > > email list)? Do we demand the contract be cancelled and start the
>>>> search
>>>> > > over? All of these are options I suppose. Or, as a suggestion, we
>>>> could
>>>> > > recognize this opportunity to move our organization forward and
>>>> ensure
>>>> > that
>>>> > > future LNCs have a clearer procedure and policy manual? First, I
>>>> suggest
>>>> > we
>>>> > > let up and give the new DD a chance. Second, I propose we redirect
>>>> this
>>>> > > conversation to policy manual fixes and workshopping a hiring
>>>> policy.
>>>> > Off
>>>> > > the top of my head, we need to clarify in a real way what the LNC
>>>> should
>>>> > be
>>>> > > involved with at the very least - all hiring at an arbitrary line
>>>> or, my
>>>> > > suggestion, should we restrict the LNC to only be involved in
>>>> employment
>>>> > > matters concerning the ED and evaluating their performance?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 4) I will say that thus far our discussion has not been largely
>>>> > productive.
>>>> > > What do we, as the governing body of the world's largest Libertarian
>>>> > Party
>>>> > > intend to do in an effort to ease the future growth and expansion
>>>> of our
>>>> > > Party? How can we use this to set an example for affiliate parties?
>>>> I am
>>>> > > happy to take part in any discussion that focuses on where we go.
>>>> What's
>>>> > > been done is done and as far as I can tell, nobody actually did
>>>> anything
>>>> > > wrong outside of optics and a very large grey area in our policy
>>>> manual
>>>> > was
>>>> > > discovered. Let's figure out how to fix it.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Richard Longstreth
>>>> > > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>>>> > > richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>>> > > 931.538.9300
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Sent from my Mobile Device
>>>> > >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>>> >
>>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> anyone
>>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>>> faux
>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>