[Lnc-business] Director of Development

Tue Oct 29 16:19:42 EDT 2019

Dear Ms. Harlos,

When you would like a document from a person, it is better and more
effective practice to ask that person directly, rather than send a message
to a mailing list. A mailing list has many members who are not able to
satisfy your request, and only one who is the proper person to ask.
Additionally, many people only read the mailing list at certain times of
day, while they may review an email sent directly to them more quickly.
This procedure has worked well for the other members of the committee who
have asked for and received the proposed contract for review.

Yours truly,
Nick

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Why is a request on the list - which is public - not sufficient?
>
> This seems like gamesmanship.
>
> This list is read by all the involved parties.
>
> This is my request for that contract.
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:41 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Did either of you contact the Executive Director to ask for a copy of the
>> proposed contract? If not, I would recommend that procedure.
>>
>> Yours truly,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I am noticing that there is selective ignoring of requests.
>> >
>> > I will remind the ED and Chair that playing favorites on requests is
>> beyond
>> > inappropriate.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:46 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Again I want to go on record as objecting to deletions of posts here
>> and
>> > > enter a new objection about the thread being made private from our
>> > members
>> > >
>> > > On Oct 29, 2019 10:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you.  Then that is irrelevant to this issue at that time.  It
>> may
>> > > explain why Larry did something so out of character.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:25 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I can answer that ish. I dont have exact dates in front of me however
>> I
>> > > was party to the early attempt to reach out to Mr
>> > >  Sharpe concerning this position by Mr. Smith. I had been told quite
>> some
>> > > time BEFORE the podcast that conversation concerning this position
>> > between
>> > > Mr. Fishman and Mr. Sharpe had not been fruitful, that Mr. Fishman
>> made
>> > the
>> > > job seem "unappealing"
>> > >
>> > > On Oct 29, 2019 9:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Thank you.  Mr Fishman, was is the he timing of that in relation to
>> the
>> > > determination this would not work out.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:27 AM Justin O'Donnell <
>> justin.odonnell at lp.org
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > The date of that Podcast, and Larry's remarks, was October 7th.
>> > > >
>> > > > ---
>> > > > Yours in Liberty,
>> > > >
>> > > > Justin O'Donnell
>> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> > > > www.justinodonnell.me
>> > > > www.odonnell2020.com
>> > > >
>> > > > Renew your membership today at
>> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>> > > >
>> > > > On 2019-10-29 10:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > > > What was the timing of that podcast?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I’m aghast at how Mr. Chastain has been treated.  However, it’s
>> > > > > not fair to use an event after the fact as a reason for denial in
>> > > > > favour of a nonParty member without the requisite experience.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > And I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face.  We HAD a great DD and
>> > > > > did nothing to keep her.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:54 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business
>> > > > > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> I'm just curious, has Larry Sharpe apologized or walked back the
>> > > > >> comments he recently made on his "Sharpe Way " Podcast attacking
>> > > > >> some of
>> > > > >> the LNC's larger donors calling them out by name, and insulting
>> > > > >> them,
>> > > > >> calling them "bullies" and such because they wouldn't donate to
>> his
>> > > > >> or
>> > > > >> Maj Toure's campaigns?
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Larry may have ran a great campaign, but I believe he's smart
>> enough
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >> not have publicly trashed our donors if he actually wanted the
>> > > > >> position
>> > > > >> as Development Director, as opposed to pitching to redefine the
>> > > > >> position's scope to include public appearances that would utilize
>> > > > >> Party
>> > > > >> Resources to promote Larry Sharpe.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Larry, and think he largely does
>> > > > >> great
>> > > > >> work for the movement, but publicly insulting LNC Donors is
>> > > > >> something he
>> > > > >> shouldn't have done if he wanted to give the impression that He
>> > > > >> would
>> > > > >> have been a good fit for this position.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> ---
>> > > > >> Yours in Liberty,
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Justin O'Donnell
>> > > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> > > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> > > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
>> > > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Renew your membership today at
>> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
>> > > > >> !
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On 2019-10-28 12:31, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > > >>> I find it hard to believe that you were worried that someone who
>> > > > >> quite
>> > > > >>> literally trains C level executives as his profession would not
>> > > > >>> understand the nuts and bolts of development and team building.
>> Or
>> > > > >>> fundraising for that matter. Especially considering the amount
>> of
>> > > > >>> money he was able to raise in his race. Much of which came
>> > > > >> directly
>> > > > >>> from his face to face time with donors.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Larry was able to train tons of people to be better campaign
>> > > > >>> volunteers, and amassed quite an amazing team during his
>> > > > >> Gubernatorial
>> > > > >>> campaign.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> He is a born leader with a huge national following and donors on
>> > > > >> speed
>> > > > >>> dial.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I am very upset to hear that he was passed over for someone that
>> > > > >>> hasn't put any time in to building our party, or building
>> > > > >>> relationships with our donors.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> I agree that this needs to have time on the schedule for the LNC
>> > > > >>> meeting.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> -Joshua
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> > > > >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> EVH.  We are not familiar and I request you stick to
>> formalities.
>> > > > >>>> You are
>> > > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert.  And telling
>> someone
>> > > > >> to
>> > > > >>>> not
>> > > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> > > > >>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email back
>> in
>> > > > >>>> July, one
>> > > > >>>>> of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder in
>> > > > >> 4th
>> > > > >>>> grade.
>> > > > >>>>> (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
>> > > > >> pointing
>> > > > >>>> out
>> > > > >>>>> that you were rude.   Yet, you persist with threats and
>> > > > >>>> accusations.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC
>> members
>> > > > >>>> pointing
>> > > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you need is
>> > > > >>>> beyond our
>> > > > >>>>> ability.  You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> ---
>> > > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> On 2019-10-28 11:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I will be writing Ms. Sexton privately.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> At the risk of further ridicule, I have autism.  I am hyper
>> > > > >> aware
>> > > > >>>> that I
>> > > > >>>>> can be unintentionally blunt.  My email signature is a request
>> > > > >> for
>> > > > >>>> help.
>> > > > >>>>> The public bullying and shaming is abusive and if I were a
>> > > > >>>> statist,
>> > > > >>>>> completely violative of my "civil rights."
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> There is some serious education needed here about productive
>> > > > >> ways
>> > > > >>>> to deal
>> > > > >>>>> with people with my disability.  EVH is completely over the
>> top
>> > > > >>>> but Mr.
>> > > > >>>>> Bishop-Henchman's consistent habit of reading the worst
>> possible
>> > > > >>>> intent
>> > > > >>>>> into things I say is completely prejudicial.  I've tried to
>> talk
>> > > > >>>> to him
>> > > > >>>>> privately about  it and he ignores every attempt.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> For anyone who cares to be understanding here is some
>> education.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.crisisprevention.com/Blog/September-2012/Tips-for-Interacting-With-People-With-Autism
>> > > > >>>>> Point number 4 is pertinent in all communication.  Number 8 is
>> > > > >> as
>> > > > >>>> well.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> https://nationalautismassociation.org/its-not-rude-its-autism/
>> > > > >>>>> https://researchautism.org/ten-things-autism-isnt/
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I am not going to stand for this abuse.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> I AM NOT asking to be excused from perceived rudeness.  I am
>> > > > >>>> asking for
>> > > > >>>>> the perfectly reasonable and ethical accommodation of
>> guidance.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> And no this is not a threat but I have reached out to a
>> > > > >>>> disability
>> > > > >>>>> advocate lawyer.  I WILL be treated with the human dignity I
>> > > > >>>> deserve.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:14 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org
>> >
>> > > > >>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> While I can certainly see where the comment directed at
>> > > > >> Alternate
>> > > > >>>> Sexton
>> > > > >>>>>> crossed a line, I also think some of the response to it did
>> as
>> > > > >>>> well.
>> > > > >>>>>> "Fault" isnt always a one way street.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> To the matter at hand, after reading the most recent email
>> from
>> > > > >>>> Mr.
>> > > > >>>>>> Fishman I am not anymore comfortable with this current
>> decision
>> > > > >>>> nor the
>> > > > >>>>>> perceived circumstances surrounding this hire.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Im disgusted by the recent chain of events and flabbergasted
>> > > > >> that
>> > > > >>>> I seem
>> > > > >>>>>> to be in the minority in feeling so.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Erin, I agree.  I would suggest though, that someone speak to
>> > > > >> our
>> > > > >>>> LNC
>> > > > >>>>>> secretary about attacks on LNC members on this list.  If she
>> > > > >>>> hadn't gone
>> > > > >>>>>> and lobbed rudeness at Paige Sexton, there would be no
>> > > > >> exchange.
>> > > > >>>> I'm not
>> > > > >>>>>> going to stand by why an LNC member does that, nor be
>> silenced
>> > > > >>>> when it
>> > > > >>>>>> happens.  This is a pattern, and the beginning has a source.
>> > > > >>>>>> ---
>> > > > >>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > > > >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On 2019-10-28 09:26, Erin Adams wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> I would very much like to get back to the topic of this
>> > > > >>>> discussion and
>> > > > >>>>>> perhaps handle personal disagreements in another email chain.
>> > > > >>>>>> The personal back and forth above distracts from the very
>> > > > >> serious
>> > > > >>>> issue
>> > > > >>>>>> at hand imo
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 3:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> Take it to the proper channels.  Thank you.
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
>> > > > >>>>>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> --
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> *In Liberty,*
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > > > >>>> Syndrome
>> > > > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > > > >>>> anyone
>> > > > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > > > >> social
>> > > > >>>> faux
>> > > > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > > >  --
>> > > > >
>> > > > > IN LIBERTY,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > __
>> > > > >
>> > > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> other
>> > > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Links:
>> > > > > ------
>> > > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
>> > > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
>> > > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>