[Lnc-business] Director of Development

Tue Oct 29 16:33:29 EDT 2019

It has been days.  Members have a right to see the requests.

THIS is the official communication channel not some secret good old boys
procedure.

I act in public.  You cannot point to any policy manual requirement of how
to request items.  The only official channel is here.

Further in the past, I have requested documents in this list and got them.
It seems it’s a problem when I am not on the desired “side.”

I will not play that game.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>
> When you would like a document from a person, it is better and more
> effective practice to ask that person directly, rather than send a message
> to a mailing list. A mailing list has many members who are not able to
> satisfy your request, and only one who is the proper person to ask.
> Additionally, many people only read the mailing list at certain times of
> day, while they may review an email sent directly to them more quickly.
> This procedure has worked well for the other members of the committee who
> have asked for and received the proposed contract for review.
>
> Yours truly,
> Nick
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Why is a request on the list - which is public - not sufficient?
> >
> > This seems like gamesmanship.
> >
> > This list is read by all the involved parties.
> >
> > This is my request for that contract.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:41 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Did either of you contact the Executive Director to ask for a copy of
> the
> >> proposed contract? If not, I would recommend that procedure.
> >>
> >> Yours truly,
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am noticing that there is selective ignoring of requests.
> >> >
> >> > I will remind the ED and Chair that playing favorites on requests is
> >> beyond
> >> > inappropriate.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:46 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Again I want to go on record as objecting to deletions of posts here
> >> and
> >> > > enter a new objection about the thread being made private from our
> >> > members
> >> > >
> >> > > On Oct 29, 2019 10:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.  Then that is irrelevant to this issue at that time.  It
> >> may
> >> > > explain why Larry did something so out of character.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:25 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I can answer that ish. I dont have exact dates in front of me
> however
> >> I
> >> > > was party to the early attempt to reach out to Mr
> >> > >  Sharpe concerning this position by Mr. Smith. I had been told quite
> >> some
> >> > > time BEFORE the podcast that conversation concerning this position
> >> > between
> >> > > Mr. Fishman and Mr. Sharpe had not been fruitful, that Mr. Fishman
> >> made
> >> > the
> >> > > job seem "unappealing"
> >> > >
> >> > > On Oct 29, 2019 9:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank you.  Mr Fishman, was is the he timing of that in relation to
> >> the
> >> > > determination this would not work out.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:27 AM Justin O'Donnell <
> >> justin.odonnell at lp.org
> >> > >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > The date of that Podcast, and Larry's remarks, was October 7th.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ---
> >> > > > Yours in Liberty,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Justin O'Donnell
> >> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
> >> > > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
> >> > > > www.justinodonnell.me
> >> > > > www.odonnell2020.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Renew your membership today at
> >> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 2019-10-29 10:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >> > > > > What was the timing of that podcast?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I’m aghast at how Mr. Chastain has been treated.  However, it’s
> >> > > > > not fair to use an event after the fact as a reason for denial
> in
> >> > > > > favour of a nonParty member without the requisite experience.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > And I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face.  We HAD a great DD
> and
> >> > > > > did nothing to keep her.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:54 AM Justin O'Donnell via
> Lnc-business
> >> > > > > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> I'm just curious, has Larry Sharpe apologized or walked back
> the
> >> > > > >> comments he recently made on his "Sharpe Way " Podcast
> attacking
> >> > > > >> some of
> >> > > > >> the LNC's larger donors calling them out by name, and insulting
> >> > > > >> them,
> >> > > > >> calling them "bullies" and such because they wouldn't donate to
> >> his
> >> > > > >> or
> >> > > > >> Maj Toure's campaigns?
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Larry may have ran a great campaign, but I believe he's smart
> >> enough
> >> > > > >> to
> >> > > > >> not have publicly trashed our donors if he actually wanted the
> >> > > > >> position
> >> > > > >> as Development Director, as opposed to pitching to redefine the
> >> > > > >> position's scope to include public appearances that would
> utilize
> >> > > > >> Party
> >> > > > >> Resources to promote Larry Sharpe.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Larry, and think he largely
> does
> >> > > > >> great
> >> > > > >> work for the movement, but publicly insulting LNC Donors is
> >> > > > >> something he
> >> > > > >> shouldn't have done if he wanted to give the impression that He
> >> > > > >> would
> >> > > > >> have been a good fit for this position.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> ---
> >> > > > >> Yours in Liberty,
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Justin O'Donnell
> >> > > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >> > > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
> >> > > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
> >> > > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Renew your membership today at
> >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
> >> > > > >> !
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> On 2019-10-28 12:31, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > > > >>> I find it hard to believe that you were worried that someone
> who
> >> > > > >> quite
> >> > > > >>> literally trains C level executives as his profession would
> not
> >> > > > >>> understand the nuts and bolts of development and team
> building.
> >> Or
> >> > > > >>> fundraising for that matter. Especially considering the amount
> >> of
> >> > > > >>> money he was able to raise in his race. Much of which came
> >> > > > >> directly
> >> > > > >>> from his face to face time with donors.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> Larry was able to train tons of people to be better campaign
> >> > > > >>> volunteers, and amassed quite an amazing team during his
> >> > > > >> Gubernatorial
> >> > > > >>> campaign.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> He is a born leader with a huge national following and donors
> on
> >> > > > >> speed
> >> > > > >>> dial.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> I am very upset to hear that he was passed over for someone
> that
> >> > > > >>> hasn't put any time in to building our party, or building
> >> > > > >>> relationships with our donors.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> I agree that this needs to have time on the schedule for the
> LNC
> >> > > > >>> meeting.
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> -Joshua
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> >> > > > >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>>> EVH.  We are not familiar and I request you stick to
> >> formalities.
> >> > > > >>>> You are
> >> > > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert.  And telling
> >> someone
> >> > > > >> to
> >> > > > >>>> not
> >> > > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
> >> > > > >>>>
> >> > > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
> >> > > > >>>>
> >> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
> >> > > > >>>> wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email
> back
> >> in
> >> > > > >>>> July, one
> >> > > > >>>>> of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder
> in
> >> > > > >> 4th
> >> > > > >>>> grade.
> >> > > > >>>>> (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
> >> > > > >> pointing
> >> > > > >>>> out
> >> > > > >>>>> that you were rude.   Yet, you persist with threats and
> >> > > > >>>> accusations.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC
> >> members
> >> > > > >>>> pointing
> >> > > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you need
> is
> >> > > > >>>> beyond our
> >> > > > >>>>> ability.  You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> ---
> >> > > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> > > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> On 2019-10-28 11:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> I will be writing Ms. Sexton privately.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> At the risk of further ridicule, I have autism.  I am hyper
> >> > > > >> aware
> >> > > > >>>> that I
> >> > > > >>>>> can be unintentionally blunt.  My email signature is a
> request
> >> > > > >> for
> >> > > > >>>> help.
> >> > > > >>>>> The public bullying and shaming is abusive and if I were a
> >> > > > >>>> statist,
> >> > > > >>>>> completely violative of my "civil rights."
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> There is some serious education needed here about productive
> >> > > > >> ways
> >> > > > >>>> to deal
> >> > > > >>>>> with people with my disability.  EVH is completely over the
> >> top
> >> > > > >>>> but Mr.
> >> > > > >>>>> Bishop-Henchman's consistent habit of reading the worst
> >> possible
> >> > > > >>>> intent
> >> > > > >>>>> into things I say is completely prejudicial.  I've tried to
> >> talk
> >> > > > >>>> to him
> >> > > > >>>>> privately about  it and he ignores every attempt.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> For anyone who cares to be understanding here is some
> >> education.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>
> >> > > > >>>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://www.crisisprevention.com/Blog/September-2012/Tips-for-Interacting-With-People-With-Autism
> >> > > > >>>>> Point number 4 is pertinent in all communication.  Number 8
> is
> >> > > > >> as
> >> > > > >>>> well.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> https://nationalautismassociation.org/its-not-rude-its-autism/
> >> > > > >>>>> https://researchautism.org/ten-things-autism-isnt/
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> I am not going to stand for this abuse.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> I AM NOT asking to be excused from perceived rudeness.  I am
> >> > > > >>>> asking for
> >> > > > >>>>> the perfectly reasonable and ethical accommodation of
> >> guidance.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> And no this is not a threat but I have reached out to a
> >> > > > >>>> disability
> >> > > > >>>>> advocate lawyer.  I WILL be treated with the human dignity I
> >> > > > >>>> deserve.
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:14 AM Erin Adams <
> erin.adams at lp.org
> >> >
> >> > > > >>>> wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> While I can certainly see where the comment directed at
> >> > > > >> Alternate
> >> > > > >>>> Sexton
> >> > > > >>>>>> crossed a line, I also think some of the response to it did
> >> as
> >> > > > >>>> well.
> >> > > > >>>>>> "Fault" isnt always a one way street.
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> To the matter at hand, after reading the most recent email
> >> from
> >> > > > >>>> Mr.
> >> > > > >>>>>> Fishman I am not anymore comfortable with this current
> >> decision
> >> > > > >>>> nor the
> >> > > > >>>>>> perceived circumstances surrounding this hire.
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> Im disgusted by the recent chain of events and
> flabbergasted
> >> > > > >> that
> >> > > > >>>> I seem
> >> > > > >>>>>> to be in the minority in feeling so.
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> Erin, I agree.  I would suggest though, that someone speak
> to
> >> > > > >> our
> >> > > > >>>> LNC
> >> > > > >>>>>> secretary about attacks on LNC members on this list.  If
> she
> >> > > > >>>> hadn't gone
> >> > > > >>>>>> and lobbed rudeness at Paige Sexton, there would be no
> >> > > > >> exchange.
> >> > > > >>>> I'm not
> >> > > > >>>>>> going to stand by why an LNC member does that, nor be
> >> silenced
> >> > > > >>>> when it
> >> > > > >>>>>> happens.  This is a pattern, and the beginning has a
> source.
> >> > > > >>>>>> ---
> >> > > > >>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
> >> > > > >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> On 2019-10-28 09:26, Erin Adams wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> I would very much like to get back to the topic of this
> >> > > > >>>> discussion and
> >> > > > >>>>>> perhaps handle personal disagreements in another email
> chain.
> >> > > > >>>>>> The personal back and forth above distracts from the very
> >> > > > >> serious
> >> > > > >>>> issue
> >> > > > >>>>>> at hand imo
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 3:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
> <
> >> > > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> Take it to the proper channels.  Thank you.
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
> >> > > > >>>>>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > >>>>> --
> >> > > > >>>>
> >> > > > >>>> *In Liberty,*
> >> > > > >>>>
> >> > > > >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> > > > >>>> Syndrome
> >> > > > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >> > > > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> >> If
> >> > > > >>>> anyone
> >> > > > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> > > > >> social
> >> > > > >>>> faux
> >> > > > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > > > >  --
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > IN LIBERTY,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > __
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> > Syndrome
> >> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> > > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> >> other
> >> > > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Links:
> >> > > > > ------
> >> > > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
> >> > > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > *In Liberty,*
> >> > >
> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > *In Liberty,*
> >> > >
> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> >
> >> > *In Liberty,*
> >> >
> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> >
> >>
> > --
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
>
-- 

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *