[Lnc-business] Director of Development

Tue Oct 29 16:34:27 EDT 2019

And once again- explain what you mean by proposed contract.  Is it signed
and final or not??!

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:33 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> It has been days.  Members have a right to see the requests.
>
> THIS is the official communication channel not some secret good old boys
> procedure.
>
> I act in public.  You cannot point to any policy manual requirement of how
> to request items.  The only official channel is here.
>
> Further in the past, I have requested documents in this list and got
> them.  It seems it’s a problem when I am not on the desired “side.”
>
> I will not play that game.
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>>
>> When you would like a document from a person, it is better and more
>> effective practice to ask that person directly, rather than send a message
>> to a mailing list. A mailing list has many members who are not able to
>> satisfy your request, and only one who is the proper person to ask.
>> Additionally, many people only read the mailing list at certain times of
>> day, while they may review an email sent directly to them more quickly.
>> This procedure has worked well for the other members of the committee who
>> have asked for and received the proposed contract for review.
>>
>> Yours truly,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Why is a request on the list - which is public - not sufficient?
>> >
>> > This seems like gamesmanship.
>> >
>> > This list is read by all the involved parties.
>> >
>> > This is my request for that contract.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:41 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Did either of you contact the Executive Director to ask for a copy of
>> the
>> >> proposed contract? If not, I would recommend that procedure.
>> >>
>> >> Yours truly,
>> >> Nick
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I am noticing that there is selective ignoring of requests.
>> >> >
>> >> > I will remind the ED and Chair that playing favorites on requests is
>> >> beyond
>> >> > inappropriate.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:46 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Again I want to go on record as objecting to deletions of posts
>> here
>> >> and
>> >> > > enter a new objection about the thread being made private from our
>> >> > members
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Oct 29, 2019 10:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thank you.  Then that is irrelevant to this issue at that time.  It
>> >> may
>> >> > > explain why Larry did something so out of character.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:25 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I can answer that ish. I dont have exact dates in front of me
>> however
>> >> I
>> >> > > was party to the early attempt to reach out to Mr
>> >> > >  Sharpe concerning this position by Mr. Smith. I had been told
>> quite
>> >> some
>> >> > > time BEFORE the podcast that conversation concerning this position
>> >> > between
>> >> > > Mr. Fishman and Mr. Sharpe had not been fruitful, that Mr. Fishman
>> >> made
>> >> > the
>> >> > > job seem "unappealing"
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Oct 29, 2019 9:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thank you.  Mr Fishman, was is the he timing of that in relation to
>> >> the
>> >> > > determination this would not work out.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:27 AM Justin O'Donnell <
>> >> justin.odonnell at lp.org
>> >> > >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > The date of that Podcast, and Larry's remarks, was October 7th.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ---
>> >> > > > Yours in Liberty,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Justin O'Donnell
>> >> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
>> >> > > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> >> > > > www.justinodonnell.me
>> >> > > > www.odonnell2020.com
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Renew your membership today at
>> >> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On 2019-10-29 10:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >> > > > > What was the timing of that podcast?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I’m aghast at how Mr. Chastain has been treated.  However, it’s
>> >> > > > > not fair to use an event after the fact as a reason for denial
>> in
>> >> > > > > favour of a nonParty member without the requisite experience.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > And I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face.  We HAD a great DD
>> and
>> >> > > > > did nothing to keep her.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:54 AM Justin O'Donnell via
>> Lnc-business
>> >> > > > > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >> I'm just curious, has Larry Sharpe apologized or walked back
>> the
>> >> > > > >> comments he recently made on his "Sharpe Way " Podcast
>> attacking
>> >> > > > >> some of
>> >> > > > >> the LNC's larger donors calling them out by name, and
>> insulting
>> >> > > > >> them,
>> >> > > > >> calling them "bullies" and such because they wouldn't donate
>> to
>> >> his
>> >> > > > >> or
>> >> > > > >> Maj Toure's campaigns?
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Larry may have ran a great campaign, but I believe he's smart
>> >> enough
>> >> > > > >> to
>> >> > > > >> not have publicly trashed our donors if he actually wanted the
>> >> > > > >> position
>> >> > > > >> as Development Director, as opposed to pitching to redefine
>> the
>> >> > > > >> position's scope to include public appearances that would
>> utilize
>> >> > > > >> Party
>> >> > > > >> Resources to promote Larry Sharpe.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Larry, and think he largely
>> does
>> >> > > > >> great
>> >> > > > >> work for the movement, but publicly insulting LNC Donors is
>> >> > > > >> something he
>> >> > > > >> shouldn't have done if he wanted to give the impression that
>> He
>> >> > > > >> would
>> >> > > > >> have been a good fit for this position.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> ---
>> >> > > > >> Yours in Liberty,
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Justin O'Donnell
>> >> > > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>> >> > > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
>> >> > > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
>> >> > > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Renew your membership today at
>> >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
>> >> > > > >> !
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> On 2019-10-28 12:31, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> > > > >>> I find it hard to believe that you were worried that someone
>> who
>> >> > > > >> quite
>> >> > > > >>> literally trains C level executives as his profession would
>> not
>> >> > > > >>> understand the nuts and bolts of development and team
>> building.
>> >> Or
>> >> > > > >>> fundraising for that matter. Especially considering the
>> amount
>> >> of
>> >> > > > >>> money he was able to raise in his race. Much of which came
>> >> > > > >> directly
>> >> > > > >>> from his face to face time with donors.
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> Larry was able to train tons of people to be better campaign
>> >> > > > >>> volunteers, and amassed quite an amazing team during his
>> >> > > > >> Gubernatorial
>> >> > > > >>> campaign.
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> He is a born leader with a huge national following and
>> donors on
>> >> > > > >> speed
>> >> > > > >>> dial.
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> I am very upset to hear that he was passed over for someone
>> that
>> >> > > > >>> hasn't put any time in to building our party, or building
>> >> > > > >>> relationships with our donors.
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> I agree that this needs to have time on the schedule for the
>> LNC
>> >> > > > >>> meeting.
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> -Joshua
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>> >> > > > >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>>> EVH.  We are not familiar and I request you stick to
>> >> formalities.
>> >> > > > >>>> You are
>> >> > > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert.  And telling
>> >> someone
>> >> > > > >> to
>> >> > > > >>>> not
>> >> > > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
>> >> > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
>> >> > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> >> > > > >>>> wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email
>> back
>> >> in
>> >> > > > >>>> July, one
>> >> > > > >>>>> of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum
>> Disorder in
>> >> > > > >> 4th
>> >> > > > >>>> grade.
>> >> > > > >>>>> (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
>> >> > > > >> pointing
>> >> > > > >>>> out
>> >> > > > >>>>> that you were rude.   Yet, you persist with threats and
>> >> > > > >>>> accusations.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC
>> >> members
>> >> > > > >>>> pointing
>> >> > > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you need
>> is
>> >> > > > >>>> beyond our
>> >> > > > >>>>> ability.  You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> ---
>> >> > > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >> > > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> On 2019-10-28 11:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> I will be writing Ms. Sexton privately.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> At the risk of further ridicule, I have autism.  I am hyper
>> >> > > > >> aware
>> >> > > > >>>> that I
>> >> > > > >>>>> can be unintentionally blunt.  My email signature is a
>> request
>> >> > > > >> for
>> >> > > > >>>> help.
>> >> > > > >>>>> The public bullying and shaming is abusive and if I were a
>> >> > > > >>>> statist,
>> >> > > > >>>>> completely violative of my "civil rights."
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> There is some serious education needed here about
>> productive
>> >> > > > >> ways
>> >> > > > >>>> to deal
>> >> > > > >>>>> with people with my disability.  EVH is completely over the
>> >> top
>> >> > > > >>>> but Mr.
>> >> > > > >>>>> Bishop-Henchman's consistent habit of reading the worst
>> >> possible
>> >> > > > >>>> intent
>> >> > > > >>>>> into things I say is completely prejudicial.  I've tried to
>> >> talk
>> >> > > > >>>> to him
>> >> > > > >>>>> privately about  it and he ignores every attempt.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> For anyone who cares to be understanding here is some
>> >> education.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > >>>
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://www.crisisprevention.com/Blog/September-2012/Tips-for-Interacting-With-People-With-Autism
>> >> > > > >>>>> Point number 4 is pertinent in all communication.  Number
>> 8 is
>> >> > > > >> as
>> >> > > > >>>> well.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> https://nationalautismassociation.org/its-not-rude-its-autism/
>> >> > > > >>>>> https://researchautism.org/ten-things-autism-isnt/
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> I am not going to stand for this abuse.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> I AM NOT asking to be excused from perceived rudeness.  I
>> am
>> >> > > > >>>> asking for
>> >> > > > >>>>> the perfectly reasonable and ethical accommodation of
>> >> guidance.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> And no this is not a threat but I have reached out to a
>> >> > > > >>>> disability
>> >> > > > >>>>> advocate lawyer.  I WILL be treated with the human dignity
>> I
>> >> > > > >>>> deserve.
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:14 AM Erin Adams <
>> erin.adams at lp.org
>> >> >
>> >> > > > >>>> wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> While I can certainly see where the comment directed at
>> >> > > > >> Alternate
>> >> > > > >>>> Sexton
>> >> > > > >>>>>> crossed a line, I also think some of the response to it
>> did
>> >> as
>> >> > > > >>>> well.
>> >> > > > >>>>>> "Fault" isnt always a one way street.
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> To the matter at hand, after reading the most recent email
>> >> from
>> >> > > > >>>> Mr.
>> >> > > > >>>>>> Fishman I am not anymore comfortable with this current
>> >> decision
>> >> > > > >>>> nor the
>> >> > > > >>>>>> perceived circumstances surrounding this hire.
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> Im disgusted by the recent chain of events and
>> flabbergasted
>> >> > > > >> that
>> >> > > > >>>> I seem
>> >> > > > >>>>>> to be in the minority in feeling so.
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> Erin, I agree.  I would suggest though, that someone
>> speak to
>> >> > > > >> our
>> >> > > > >>>> LNC
>> >> > > > >>>>>> secretary about attacks on LNC members on this list.  If
>> she
>> >> > > > >>>> hadn't gone
>> >> > > > >>>>>> and lobbed rudeness at Paige Sexton, there would be no
>> >> > > > >> exchange.
>> >> > > > >>>> I'm not
>> >> > > > >>>>>> going to stand by why an LNC member does that, nor be
>> >> silenced
>> >> > > > >>>> when it
>> >> > > > >>>>>> happens.  This is a pattern, and the beginning has a
>> source.
>> >> > > > >>>>>> ---
>> >> > > > >>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>> >> > > > >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> On 2019-10-28 09:26, Erin Adams wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> I would very much like to get back to the topic of this
>> >> > > > >>>> discussion and
>> >> > > > >>>>>> perhaps handle personal disagreements in another email
>> chain.
>> >> > > > >>>>>> The personal back and forth above distracts from the very
>> >> > > > >> serious
>> >> > > > >>>> issue
>> >> > > > >>>>>> at hand imo
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 3:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> Lnc-business <
>> >> > > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> Take it to the proper channels.  Thank you.
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
>> >> > > > >>>>>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>>
>> >> > > > >>>>> --
>> >> > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > >>>> *In Liberty,*
>> >> > > > >>>>
>> >> > > > >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> Asperger's
>> >> > > > >>>> Syndrome
>> >> > > > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> inter-personal
>> >> > > > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> >> If
>> >> > > > >>>> anyone
>> >> > > > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> other
>> >> > > > >> social
>> >> > > > >>>> faux
>> >> > > > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >> > > > >  --
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > IN LIBERTY,
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > __
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> >> > Syndrome
>> >> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> >> > > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> >> other
>> >> > > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
>> _
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Links:
>> >> > > > > ------
>> >> > > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
>> >> > > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > *In Liberty,*
>> >> > >
>> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >> anyone
>> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >> faux
>> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > > *In Liberty,*
>> >> > >
>> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >> anyone
>> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >> faux
>> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> >
>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>> >> >
>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >> faux
>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >> >
>> >>
>> > --
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>> >
>>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
> --

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *