[Lnc-business] Director of Development

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I would like to put this on the list briefly.  Mr. Longstreth and I had an
extensive personal conversation sharing points of view, and after that
discussion, I felt I owed him an apology which I did personally.  I don't
want to give the details here on our discussion because it centered around
the fact that he and I have a long-standing personal friendship outside of
this committee and prior to it, and that is the context in which I truly
felt I owed him an apology.  I appreciate the very constructive feedback by
him.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:34 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> And once again- explain what you mean by proposed contract.  Is it signed
> and final or not??!
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:33 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> It has been days.  Members have a right to see the requests.
>>
>> THIS is the official communication channel not some secret good old boys
>> procedure.
>>
>> I act in public.  You cannot point to any policy manual requirement of
>> how to request items.  The only official channel is here.
>>
>> Further in the past, I have requested documents in this list and got
>> them.  It seems it’s a problem when I am not on the desired “side.”
>>
>> I will not play that game.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:19 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>>>
>>> When you would like a document from a person, it is better and more
>>> effective practice to ask that person directly, rather than send a
>>> message
>>> to a mailing list. A mailing list has many members who are not able to
>>> satisfy your request, and only one who is the proper person to ask.
>>> Additionally, many people only read the mailing list at certain times of
>>> day, while they may review an email sent directly to them more quickly.
>>> This procedure has worked well for the other members of the committee who
>>> have asked for and received the proposed contract for review.
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Why is a request on the list - which is public - not sufficient?
>>> >
>>> > This seems like gamesmanship.
>>> >
>>> > This list is read by all the involved parties.
>>> >
>>> > This is my request for that contract.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:41 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Did either of you contact the Executive Director to ask for a copy of
>>> the
>>> >> proposed contract? If not, I would recommend that procedure.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yours truly,
>>> >> Nick
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I am noticing that there is selective ignoring of requests.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I will remind the ED and Chair that playing favorites on requests is
>>> >> beyond
>>> >> > inappropriate.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:46 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Again I want to go on record as objecting to deletions of posts
>>> here
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > enter a new objection about the thread being made private from our
>>> >> > members
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Oct 29, 2019 10:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thank you.  Then that is irrelevant to this issue at that time.
>>> It
>>> >> may
>>> >> > > explain why Larry did something so out of character.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:25 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I can answer that ish. I dont have exact dates in front of me
>>> however
>>> >> I
>>> >> > > was party to the early attempt to reach out to Mr
>>> >> > >  Sharpe concerning this position by Mr. Smith. I had been told
>>> quite
>>> >> some
>>> >> > > time BEFORE the podcast that conversation concerning this position
>>> >> > between
>>> >> > > Mr. Fishman and Mr. Sharpe had not been fruitful, that Mr. Fishman
>>> >> made
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > > job seem "unappealing"
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Oct 29, 2019 9:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thank you.  Mr Fishman, was is the he timing of that in relation
>>> to
>>> >> the
>>> >> > > determination this would not work out.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:27 AM Justin O'Donnell <
>>> >> justin.odonnell at lp.org
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > The date of that Podcast, and Larry's remarks, was October 7th.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > ---
>>> >> > > > Yours in Liberty,
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Justin O'Donnell
>>> >> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> >> > > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
>>> >> > > > www.justinodonnell.me
>>> >> > > > www.odonnell2020.com
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Renew your membership today at
>>> >> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On 2019-10-29 10:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> >> > > > > What was the timing of that podcast?
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > I’m aghast at how Mr. Chastain has been treated.  However,
>>> it’s
>>> >> > > > > not fair to use an event after the fact as a reason for
>>> denial in
>>> >> > > > > favour of a nonParty member without the requisite experience.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > And I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face.  We HAD a great
>>> DD and
>>> >> > > > > did nothing to keep her.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:54 AM Justin O'Donnell via
>>> Lnc-business
>>> >> > > > > <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >> I'm just curious, has Larry Sharpe apologized or walked back
>>> the
>>> >> > > > >> comments he recently made on his "Sharpe Way " Podcast
>>> attacking
>>> >> > > > >> some of
>>> >> > > > >> the LNC's larger donors calling them out by name, and
>>> insulting
>>> >> > > > >> them,
>>> >> > > > >> calling them "bullies" and such because they wouldn't donate
>>> to
>>> >> his
>>> >> > > > >> or
>>> >> > > > >> Maj Toure's campaigns?
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Larry may have ran a great campaign, but I believe he's smart
>>> >> enough
>>> >> > > > >> to
>>> >> > > > >> not have publicly trashed our donors if he actually wanted
>>> the
>>> >> > > > >> position
>>> >> > > > >> as Development Director, as opposed to pitching to redefine
>>> the
>>> >> > > > >> position's scope to include public appearances that would
>>> utilize
>>> >> > > > >> Party
>>> >> > > > >> Resources to promote Larry Sharpe.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Larry, and think he largely
>>> does
>>> >> > > > >> great
>>> >> > > > >> work for the movement, but publicly insulting LNC Donors is
>>> >> > > > >> something he
>>> >> > > > >> shouldn't have done if he wanted to give the impression that
>>> He
>>> >> > > > >> would
>>> >> > > > >> have been a good fit for this position.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> ---
>>> >> > > > >> Yours in Liberty,
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Justin O'Donnell
>>> >> > > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> >> > > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
>>> >> > > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
>>> >> > > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Renew your membership today at
>>> >> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
>>> >> > > > >> !
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> On 2019-10-28 12:31, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>> I find it hard to believe that you were worried that
>>> someone who
>>> >> > > > >> quite
>>> >> > > > >>> literally trains C level executives as his profession would
>>> not
>>> >> > > > >>> understand the nuts and bolts of development and team
>>> building.
>>> >> Or
>>> >> > > > >>> fundraising for that matter. Especially considering the
>>> amount
>>> >> of
>>> >> > > > >>> money he was able to raise in his race. Much of which came
>>> >> > > > >> directly
>>> >> > > > >>> from his face to face time with donors.
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> Larry was able to train tons of people to be better campaign
>>> >> > > > >>> volunteers, and amassed quite an amazing team during his
>>> >> > > > >> Gubernatorial
>>> >> > > > >>> campaign.
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> He is a born leader with a huge national following and
>>> donors on
>>> >> > > > >> speed
>>> >> > > > >>> dial.
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> I am very upset to hear that he was passed over for someone
>>> that
>>> >> > > > >>> hasn't put any time in to building our party, or building
>>> >> > > > >>> relationships with our donors.
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> I agree that this needs to have time on the schedule for
>>> the LNC
>>> >> > > > >>> meeting.
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> -Joshua
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
>>> >> > > > >>> <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>>> EVH.  We are not familiar and I request you stick to
>>> >> formalities.
>>> >> > > > >>>> You are
>>> >> > > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert.  And telling
>>> >> someone
>>> >> > > > >> to
>>> >> > > > >>>> not
>>> >> > > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
>>> >> > > > >>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
>>> >> > > > >>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> >> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>>> >> > > > >>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email
>>> back
>>> >> in
>>> >> > > > >>>> July, one
>>> >> > > > >>>>> of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum
>>> Disorder in
>>> >> > > > >> 4th
>>> >> > > > >>>> grade.
>>> >> > > > >>>>> (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
>>> >> > > > >> pointing
>>> >> > > > >>>> out
>>> >> > > > >>>>> that you were rude.   Yet, you persist with threats and
>>> >> > > > >>>> accusations.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC
>>> >> members
>>> >> > > > >>>> pointing
>>> >> > > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you
>>> need is
>>> >> > > > >>>> beyond our
>>> >> > > > >>>>> ability.  You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> ---
>>> >> > > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> >> > > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> On 2019-10-28 11:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> I will be writing Ms. Sexton privately.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> At the risk of further ridicule, I have autism.  I am
>>> hyper
>>> >> > > > >> aware
>>> >> > > > >>>> that I
>>> >> > > > >>>>> can be unintentionally blunt.  My email signature is a
>>> request
>>> >> > > > >> for
>>> >> > > > >>>> help.
>>> >> > > > >>>>> The public bullying and shaming is abusive and if I were a
>>> >> > > > >>>> statist,
>>> >> > > > >>>>> completely violative of my "civil rights."
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> There is some serious education needed here about
>>> productive
>>> >> > > > >> ways
>>> >> > > > >>>> to deal
>>> >> > > > >>>>> with people with my disability.  EVH is completely over
>>> the
>>> >> top
>>> >> > > > >>>> but Mr.
>>> >> > > > >>>>> Bishop-Henchman's consistent habit of reading the worst
>>> >> possible
>>> >> > > > >>>> intent
>>> >> > > > >>>>> into things I say is completely prejudicial.  I've tried
>>> to
>>> >> talk
>>> >> > > > >>>> to him
>>> >> > > > >>>>> privately about  it and he ignores every attempt.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> For anyone who cares to be understanding here is some
>>> >> education.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> https://www.crisisprevention.com/Blog/September-2012/Tips-for-Interacting-With-People-With-Autism
>>> >> > > > >>>>> Point number 4 is pertinent in all communication.  Number
>>> 8 is
>>> >> > > > >> as
>>> >> > > > >>>> well.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> https://nationalautismassociation.org/its-not-rude-its-autism/
>>> >> > > > >>>>> https://researchautism.org/ten-things-autism-isnt/
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> I am not going to stand for this abuse.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> I AM NOT asking to be excused from perceived rudeness.  I
>>> am
>>> >> > > > >>>> asking for
>>> >> > > > >>>>> the perfectly reasonable and ethical accommodation of
>>> >> guidance.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> And no this is not a threat but I have reached out to a
>>> >> > > > >>>> disability
>>> >> > > > >>>>> advocate lawyer.  I WILL be treated with the human
>>> dignity I
>>> >> > > > >>>> deserve.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:14 AM Erin Adams <
>>> erin.adams at lp.org
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > > >>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> While I can certainly see where the comment directed at
>>> >> > > > >> Alternate
>>> >> > > > >>>> Sexton
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> crossed a line, I also think some of the response to it
>>> did
>>> >> as
>>> >> > > > >>>> well.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> "Fault" isnt always a one way street.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> To the matter at hand, after reading the most recent
>>> email
>>> >> from
>>> >> > > > >>>> Mr.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Fishman I am not anymore comfortable with this current
>>> >> decision
>>> >> > > > >>>> nor the
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> perceived circumstances surrounding this hire.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Im disgusted by the recent chain of events and
>>> flabbergasted
>>> >> > > > >> that
>>> >> > > > >>>> I seem
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> to be in the minority in feeling so.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> >> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Erin, I agree.  I would suggest though, that someone
>>> speak to
>>> >> > > > >> our
>>> >> > > > >>>> LNC
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> secretary about attacks on LNC members on this list.  If
>>> she
>>> >> > > > >>>> hadn't gone
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> and lobbed rudeness at Paige Sexton, there would be no
>>> >> > > > >> exchange.
>>> >> > > > >>>> I'm not
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> going to stand by why an LNC member does that, nor be
>>> >> silenced
>>> >> > > > >>>> when it
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> happens.  This is a pattern, and the beginning has a
>>> source.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> ---
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> On 2019-10-28 09:26, Erin Adams wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> I would very much like to get back to the topic of this
>>> >> > > > >>>> discussion and
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> perhaps handle personal disagreements in another email
>>> chain.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> The personal back and forth above distracts from the very
>>> >> > > > >> serious
>>> >> > > > >>>> issue
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> at hand imo
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 3:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via
>>> Lnc-business <
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Take it to the proper channels.  Thank you.
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>>> --
>>> >> > > > >>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> >> > > > >>>>
>>> >> > > > >>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>>> Asperger's
>>> >> > > > >>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > > > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>>> inter-personal
>>> >> > > > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>>> arenas.
>>> >> If
>>> >> > > > >>>> anyone
>>> >> > > > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> other
>>> >> > > > >> social
>>> >> > > > >>>> faux
>>> >> > > > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> > > > >  --
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > IN LIBERTY,
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > __
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> >> > Syndrome
>>> >> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>>> If
>>> >> > > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>>> >> other
>>> >> > > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me
>>> know. _
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Links:
>>> >> > > > > ------
>>> >> > > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
>>> >> > > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > *In Liberty,*
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> >> anyone
>>> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > *In Liberty,*
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> >> anyone
>>> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>> social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >> >
>>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> anyone
>>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> >> faux
>>> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>> --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>