[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200124-1 Approve November 2019 LNC Minutes

Tue Jan 28 01:12:24 EST 2020

This does appear to be the alternate language which replaced the version
now in circulation.  I still object to the implications of this language,
and still vote no on the minutes, but at least it's the language the LNC
had in front of it when I moved to strike the paragraph.

-Alicia

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 7:07 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Promised screenshot
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 8:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I had not heard from Ms. Mattson as she is busy with both the state and
>> assisting the bylaws committee, but attached is the screenshot of the
>> language that was approved to be included at our last meeting.  I
>> previously explained that Nuance had scrambled several versions of my
>> report - in the version that gets posted, the screenshotted paragraph is
>> what will be in the Secretary's report.
>>
>> I would never disrespect Ms. Mattson so as to change the language
>> approved upon.  Further, that would be HIGHLY unethical.  I know that Ms.
>> Mattson voted no even on the revised language, so I fully expected a no
>> vote on the minutes, but she can be assured, the language the LNC approved
>> will be the published language.
>>
>> I would ask Ms. Mattson to be a bit more charitable rather than thinking
>> anyone is sneaky, but I understand that having to deal with the state
>> causes frayed nerves, so I am sure that is what caused that bit of
>> unkindness.
>>
>> If there is a scrivener's issue with a timestamp, I am sure the committee
>> has no issue with that technical correction.  Ms. Mattson, I have found
>> errors in your corrections - specifically in your last list of corrections
>> in which you misspelled Cara's last name.  I did not say to you at the
>> time, "I have incorporated your changes except your name misspelling."
>> Why? That would be hurtful nitpicking.  You are not a robot, and I
>> understood fully what you meant.  I do feel however, you do not show me the
>> same courtesy at times.  You do not have to.  But I would appreciate it if
>> you would.
>>
>> I would like to address your comment about multiple versions because
>> although I am sure you did not mean it as a denigration of my abilities,
>> outsiders met get the wrong impression.  When I receive lists of changes I
>> have two choices.  I can wait until they all come in, which can span
>> several weeks or I can make them immediately so that people who have yet to
>> review don't have to include them if they see them.  Dr. Lark always sends
>> me corrections first, and he always sends them off-list out of respect to
>> me (which I personally believe is the professional way to handle, but
>> others may disagree).  I make them immediately.  Thus V2.  Mr. Hagan is
>> usually next because he is very eager to win one of the prizes, and
>> oftentimes he approaches me off-list.  I then make V3.  About this time a
>> week has passed and one person or another may have a minor change they post
>> on the list having not to deal with any of the issues Dr. Lark or Mr. Hagan
>> mentioned because I took care of them out of courtesy for future readers.
>> That is then usually V4.  Ms. Mattson, you are usually last in your
>> comments, and I have no problem with that, but because of that, I have
>> already accommodated many other comments.  If it is the LNC's pleasure, I
>> will make all of the changes at once causing everyone to have to reinvent
>> the wheel that Dr. Lark already invented so that I can have V2 only for
>> appearance's sake.  I hope that is not the LNC's pleasure.  And I hope in
>> the future, my desire to make less work for everyone is not inadvertently
>> characterized (because I know that was not Ms. Mattson's intent) to make it
>> seem like there are multiple versions because I walk into walls face
>> first.  I know no one of us ever means to denigrate each other, but some
>> public readers might not be so charitable.
>>
>> Lastly, I went back through your changes and cannot find the amendment
>> you refer to above.  Although I strongly disagree with you on the issue of
>> whether or not I have the freedom to format numbers as number (number), I
>> honoured your request out of courtesy.  I cannot change the meaning of text
>> submitted, but I certainly may standardize the format.  For instance, no
>> one submits it in green text either.  Or, as another example, I am not
>> obligated to honour a misspelling.  I honoured your request out of courtesy
>> and respect only.  I am waiting to see what happens with the Policy Manual
>> vote to decide if I will take a stand on this issue or not.
>>
>> I thank Ms. Mattson once again for her continued tutelage.  I profit
>> immensely from her experience as do we all.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 3:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ms Mattson I believe I included the amended language - can you please
>>> write me off list and let me know?  I will certainly put in the language
>>> that was voted upon.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 2:11 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I must vote no on approving these minutes, due to the personal
>>>> criticisms
>>>> and false implications about me in the Secretary's report.  The language
>>>> has even been changed back to a prior version to include commentary
>>>> which
>>>> Ms. Harlos previously acknowledged wasn't true.
>>>>
>>>> We get a lot of versions of these minutes, and it's kinda sneaky to
>>>> change
>>>> some language and then in a later version change it back, knowing that
>>>> often to save time on reviews of later versions people will not again
>>>> review every word but will just review to see whether the list of
>>>> requested
>>>> changes has been implemented.
>>>>
>>>> On a public list I'll not to get into the naughty government actions
>>>> which
>>>> have recently eaten away at the time I have available to repeatedly
>>>> review
>>>> updated versions of the minutes.
>>>>
>>>> In skimming my most recent list of feedback on v3, I see that the time
>>>> stamp inserted on p. 21, just prior to the Hewitt multi-part motion, was
>>>> mistakenly identified as 8:45 rather than 9:45.  That would have been
>>>> prior
>>>> to the start of the meeting at 9:02.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed some other wording issues, like one in which the language of a
>>>> motion in an amendment didn't match the original motion language, but at
>>>> least it was in wording being struck from the main motion.  Too busy
>>>> today
>>>> to track that down again now.  Regardless, the first item I mentioned
>>>> above
>>>> is enough for me to vote no.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 8:35 AM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2020-01-25 09:12, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> > > I vote yes.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > JBH
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ------------
>>>> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
>>>> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
>>>> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>>>> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 2020-01-24 23:40, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>>> > >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 1, 2020 at
>>>> 11:59:59
>>>> > >> pm
>>>> > >> Pacific time.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Co-Sponsors:  Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos,
>>>> Longstreth,
>>>> > >> Phillips
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> =============================================
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Motion: Approve minutes from November 16-17, 2019 LNC meeting V4.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> =============================================
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED:  Simple majority.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
>>>> > >> https://tinyurl.com/ballot200124-1.  Votes are noted with a link
>>>> to
>>>> > >> the
>>>> > >> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the
>>>> > >> manual
>>>> > >> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> *  In Liberty,*
>>>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>>> Syndrome
>>>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>>> > >> anyone
>>>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>>>> social
>>>> > >> faux
>>>> > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>>> know.
>>>> > >> *
>>>> >
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>>
>>>