[Lnc-business] EMAIL BALLOT 200124-1 Approve November 2019 LNC Minutes

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Ms Mattson I do not believe those were pot shots and still do not.  If you
wish to discuss by phone or off list I welcome it.

If I did not respect your abilities I would not care if you did not provide
convention direction.  The exact opposite is true.

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 11:12 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> This does appear to be the alternate language which replaced the version
> now in circulation.  I still object to the implications of this language,
> and still vote no on the minutes, but at least it's the language the LNC
> had in front of it when I moved to strike the paragraph.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 7:07 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Promised screenshot
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 8:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I had not heard from Ms. Mattson as she is busy with both the state and
> >> assisting the bylaws committee, but attached is the screenshot of the
> >> language that was approved to be included at our last meeting.  I
> >> previously explained that Nuance had scrambled several versions of my
> >> report - in the version that gets posted, the screenshotted paragraph is
> >> what will be in the Secretary's report.
> >>
> >> I would never disrespect Ms. Mattson so as to change the language
> >> approved upon.  Further, that would be HIGHLY unethical.  I know that
> Ms.
> >> Mattson voted no even on the revised language, so I fully expected a no
> >> vote on the minutes, but she can be assured, the language the LNC
> approved
> >> will be the published language.
> >>
> >> I would ask Ms. Mattson to be a bit more charitable rather than thinking
> >> anyone is sneaky, but I understand that having to deal with the state
> >> causes frayed nerves, so I am sure that is what caused that bit of
> >> unkindness.
> >>
> >> If there is a scrivener's issue with a timestamp, I am sure the
> committee
> >> has no issue with that technical correction.  Ms. Mattson, I have found
> >> errors in your corrections - specifically in your last list of
> corrections
> >> in which you misspelled Cara's last name.  I did not say to you at the
> >> time, "I have incorporated your changes except your name misspelling."
> >> Why? That would be hurtful nitpicking.  You are not a robot, and I
> >> understood fully what you meant.  I do feel however, you do not show me
> the
> >> same courtesy at times.  You do not have to.  But I would appreciate it
> if
> >> you would.
> >>
> >> I would like to address your comment about multiple versions because
> >> although I am sure you did not mean it as a denigration of my abilities,
> >> outsiders met get the wrong impression.  When I receive lists of
> changes I
> >> have two choices.  I can wait until they all come in, which can span
> >> several weeks or I can make them immediately so that people who have
> yet to
> >> review don't have to include them if they see them.  Dr. Lark always
> sends
> >> me corrections first, and he always sends them off-list out of respect
> to
> >> me (which I personally believe is the professional way to handle, but
> >> others may disagree).  I make them immediately.  Thus V2.  Mr. Hagan is
> >> usually next because he is very eager to win one of the prizes, and
> >> oftentimes he approaches me off-list.  I then make V3.  About this time
> a
> >> week has passed and one person or another may have a minor change they
> post
> >> on the list having not to deal with any of the issues Dr. Lark or Mr.
> Hagan
> >> mentioned because I took care of them out of courtesy for future
> readers.
> >> That is then usually V4.  Ms. Mattson, you are usually last in your
> >> comments, and I have no problem with that, but because of that, I have
> >> already accommodated many other comments.  If it is the LNC's pleasure,
> I
> >> will make all of the changes at once causing everyone to have to
> reinvent
> >> the wheel that Dr. Lark already invented so that I can have V2 only for
> >> appearance's sake.  I hope that is not the LNC's pleasure.  And I hope
> in
> >> the future, my desire to make less work for everyone is not
> inadvertently
> >> characterized (because I know that was not Ms. Mattson's intent) to
> make it
> >> seem like there are multiple versions because I walk into walls face
> >> first.  I know no one of us ever means to denigrate each other, but some
> >> public readers might not be so charitable.
> >>
> >> Lastly, I went back through your changes and cannot find the amendment
> >> you refer to above.  Although I strongly disagree with you on the issue
> of
> >> whether or not I have the freedom to format numbers as number (number),
> I
> >> honoured your request out of courtesy.  I cannot change the meaning of
> text
> >> submitted, but I certainly may standardize the format.  For instance, no
> >> one submits it in green text either.  Or, as another example, I am not
> >> obligated to honour a misspelling.  I honoured your request out of
> courtesy
> >> and respect only.  I am waiting to see what happens with the Policy
> Manual
> >> vote to decide if I will take a stand on this issue or not.
> >>
> >> I thank Ms. Mattson once again for her continued tutelage.  I profit
> >> immensely from her experience as do we all.
> >>
> >> -Caryn Ann
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 3:55 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ms Mattson I believe I included the amended language - can you please
> >>> write me off list and let me know?  I will certainly put in the
> language
> >>> that was voted upon.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 2:11 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I must vote no on approving these minutes, due to the personal
> >>>> criticisms
> >>>> and false implications about me in the Secretary's report.  The
> language
> >>>> has even been changed back to a prior version to include commentary
> >>>> which
> >>>> Ms. Harlos previously acknowledged wasn't true.
> >>>>
> >>>> We get a lot of versions of these minutes, and it's kinda sneaky to
> >>>> change
> >>>> some language and then in a later version change it back, knowing that
> >>>> often to save time on reviews of later versions people will not again
> >>>> review every word but will just review to see whether the list of
> >>>> requested
> >>>> changes has been implemented.
> >>>>
> >>>> On a public list I'll not to get into the naughty government actions
> >>>> which
> >>>> have recently eaten away at the time I have available to repeatedly
> >>>> review
> >>>> updated versions of the minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> In skimming my most recent list of feedback on v3, I see that the time
> >>>> stamp inserted on p. 21, just prior to the Hewitt multi-part motion,
> was
> >>>> mistakenly identified as 8:45 rather than 9:45.  That would have been
> >>>> prior
> >>>> to the start of the meeting at 9:02.
> >>>>
> >>>> I noticed some other wording issues, like one in which the language
> of a
> >>>> motion in an amendment didn't match the original motion language, but
> at
> >>>> least it was in wording being struck from the main motion.  Too busy
> >>>> today
> >>>> to track that down again now.  Regardless, the first item I mentioned
> >>>> above
> >>>> is enough for me to vote no.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Alicia
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 8:35 AM William Redpath via Lnc-business <
> >>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Yes.  Bill Redpath
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 2020-01-25 09:12, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>> > > I vote yes.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > JBH
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ------------
> >>>> > > Joe Bishop-Henchman
> >>>> > > LNC Member (At-Large)
> >>>> > > joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
> >>>> > > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > On 2020-01-24 23:40, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>>> > >> We have an electronic mail ballot.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 1, 2020 at
> >>>> 11:59:59
> >>>> > >> pm
> >>>> > >> Pacific time.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Co-Sponsors:  Bishop-Henchman, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos,
> >>>> Longstreth,
> >>>> > >> Phillips
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> =============================================
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Motion: Approve minutes from November 16-17, 2019 LNC meeting V4.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> =============================================
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED:  Simple majority.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:
> >>>> > >> https://tinyurl.com/ballot200124-1.  Votes are noted with a link
> >>>> to
> >>>> > >> the
> >>>> > >> actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that
> the
> >>>> > >> manual
> >>>> > >> tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Please notify me of any discrepancies.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> *  In Liberty,*
> >>>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>>> Syndrome
> >>>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>>> > >> anyone
> >>>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >>>> social
> >>>> > >> faux
> >>>> > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
> >>>> know.
> >>>> > >> *
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>
> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> faux
> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>
> >>>
>
-- 

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *