[Lnc-business] Convention - seeking cosponsor

[Tim Hagan]

I will also co-sponsor. I think it would be prudent to start discussing 
contingency plans and what is possible with the technology available and 
in compliance with the Bylaws in a worse-case scenario where Austin or 
the hotel cancel the convention as planned.

An electronic meeting or remote voting from the state chairs could be 
possible if the delegates who do show up vote to amend the bylaws to 
allow it. The logistics would be hell, because we'd be considering 
either a thousand delegates all participating, or a method for the state 
chairs to get their delegates' votes and relay them in to the 
convention.

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Tim Hagan
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee

On 2020-03-14 14:07, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
> I'll co-sponsor.
> 
> Region 3 had one last state affiliate convention scheduled for today.
> It was LP Michigan and they decided yesterday to postpone. I'd been in
> contact with the LPM Chair prior to that decision, and afterward.
> That decision didn't come easy, and there's much discussion among the
> state affiliate members in Michigan regarding the situation. (Which
> was precipitated by a sudden increase of Covid-19 cases within the
> county where the convention was to be held.) LPM has rescheduled an
> electronic convention for early April.
> 
> I've also discussed the National Convention situation with members.
> Have explained that the COC says the convention is still on, as
> there's no cancel edict from the hotel. Nor are there general
> restrictions on travel within the US. Have also explained that the LP
> has a contractual obligation which puts a significant financial
> penalty onto the LP if we cancel outside of reasons covered within the
> contract.
> 
> With that said, I'd like to see a Plan B discussed. (I almost brought
> the idea to the LNC myself, as it seems prudent to discuss.)
> 
> What discussion can do is help us brainstorm ideas for the worse case
> scenario. Better to have plans that aren't needed and/or could be
> quickly adjusted.  Rather than no plans and scrambling to make them.
> 
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
> Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana
> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus
> http://www.lpcaucus.org/
> 
> 
> On 2020-03-14 16:32, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
>> As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a 
>> unified
>> message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of 
>> the
>> issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right 
>> now,
>> aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what 
>> is
>> happening or what to tell people.
>> 
>> If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is 
>> indisputable
>> is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having 
>> a
>> convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being 
>> made
>> just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be
>> broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully
>> comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to 
>> do
>> it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare).
>> 
>> A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a 
>> whole
>> so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of 
>> this
>> committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). 
>> I
>> think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC
>> chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if 
>> it
>> doesn't know what the facts actually are.
>> 
>> As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings 
>> to
>> discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've 
>> already
>> had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to
>> discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even 
>> though
>> I know that is not the case at all.
>> 
>> By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one 
>> other
>> person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that 
>> we
>> can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually 
>> NEED
>> to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we 
>> can
>> always cancel if the need resolves itself.
>> 
>> Richard Longstreth
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> 931.538.9300
>> 
>> Sent from my Mobile Device
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree with Ms. Mattson.  Having a meeting might make some people 
>>> feel
>>> good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time
>>> since the situation is so fluid.  Unfortunately the Bylaws do not
>>> provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of
>>> electronic meeting proposal is moot.  We will just have to wait and 
>>> see.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>> 
>>> On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet.  Our hotel has NOT cancelled
>>> > on
>>> > us.  If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause,
>>> > then we
>>> > have zero liability.  If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to
>>> > find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket,
>>> > but
>>> > it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the
>>> > assumption
>>> > that the existing contract will cancel.  Circumstances are changing
>>> > from
>>> > day to day.  This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have
>>> > gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters.
>>> > I
>>> > don't know how to plan for that.  My opinion is that we wait to see
>>> > what
>>> > actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
>>> >
>>> > -Alicia
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>         I believe that would be appropriate.
>>> >> In Liberty,
>>> >> Steven Nekhaila
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via
>>> >> Lnc-business" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I will cosponsor.
>>> >>
>>> >> I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel
>>> >> Hayes
>>> >> due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and
>>> >> rise
>>> >> out for other, public discussion.
>>> >>
>>> >> Richard Longstreth
>>> >> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
>>> >> Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>>> >> 931.538.9300
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my Mobile Device
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I will co sponsor
>>> >> >
>>> >> > John Phillips
>>> >> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>>> >> > Cell 217-412-5973
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
>>> emeeting
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > discuss this master.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at
>>> >> > 9-11eastern
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Caryn Ann
>>> >> > --
>>> >> >
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