[Lnc-business] General thoughts on this whole convention issue

Fri May 1 04:44:57 EDT 2020

I should say inflammatory and false information.

Leave that crap to the Democrats and Republicans.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 2:44 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I am really disappointed by the email sent by certain persons that
> prompted the latest avalanche of emails we received from members who have
> been given inflammatory information.  I was wondering what prompted all
> this and when I found it was very sad.  We can be better than this.
>
> I may not agree with many of my colleagues here but I absolutely repudiate
> any smear campaigns against fellow LNC members and if any of us are
> encouraging that, stop.  My two cents.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:40 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Both of the committees have done fantastic work in a very difficult
>> situation. All materials and arguments will be considered of that I am
>> positive.
>>
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:28 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would hope that all LNC members have read the confidential LNC report
>>> hat was sent out on Tuesday and the clarification of the Bylaws
>>> Committee proposal sent by Mr. Bishop-Henchman.  That report outlines
>>> the option supported unanimously by the COC and the LNC will be provided
>>> more details on Saturday.  Feel free to contact me or any of the COC
>>> members in the meantime if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Live Free,
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>>
>>> On 2020-04-30 18:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> > I view that as implicitly giving that option where there is a
>>> vacancy.
>>> > But
>>> > you are correct it is not explicit.  What is explicit is that online
>>> > conventions are not authorized as only boards and committees can have
>>> > online meetings.  There is no authority to call a "rump convention"
>>> > either.
>>> > The minute a convention is gaveled in, those that are there ARE the
>>> > delegates authorized to conduct all convention business, and we must be
>>> > prepared and have facilities to do just that.  If the delegates there
>>> > then
>>> > decide to change the bylaws, they of course can, but being prompted to
>>> > by
>>> > us does not seem appropriate to me.  I have been saying this since last
>>> > convention where I still maintain the delegates were led by the nose to
>>> > circumvent the rules in the at-large election which directly led to us
>>> > having no JC.
>>> >
>>> > I guess I am just becoming very dismayed at how much we are planning to
>>> > circumvent the bylaws.
>>> >
>>> > I am sure everyone will do what they firmly believe is right, and not
>>> > all
>>> > of us will agree on what that is.  No one is behaving in bad faith.
>>> >
>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>> >
>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> > faux
>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:45 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I'm not sure that jibes with Article 14, Section 1, which says,
>>> >> "Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the
>>> >> United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately
>>> >> preceding a Presidential election."
>>> >>
>>> >> The LNC can fill a vacancy created by the death or resignation of a
>>> >> nominee, but I read the bylaws as that the initial nomination can be
>>> >> done only at a convention.
>>> >>
>>> >> ---
>>> >> Tim Hagan
>>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2020-04-30 15:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>>> >> > I am coming to the conclusion that we are going about this entirely
>>> >> > wrong,
>>> >> > and that any "online convention" should not even be on our radar.
>>> Our
>>> >> > bylaws ALREADY provide a solution if there is no nomination at a
>>> >> > convention.  Why are we trying to find an end-run around that?  If
>>> the
>>> >> > delegates in the past wanted to change that they could, and they did
>>> >> > not.
>>> >> > No convention, the LNC votes on the nomination.  It leaves us free
>>> to
>>> >> > vow
>>> >> > to follow the will of some poll of the delegates (which I would
>>> highly
>>> >> > say
>>> >> > we must) but we are creating a problem that does not exist - at
>>> least
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > for that issue.  I am very uncomfortable with that.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Second, I believe there is a conflict of interest issue here. Some
>>> of
>>> >> > us,
>>> >> > myself included, have a vested interest in this proceeding as we are
>>> >> > running for internal office and may have personal reasons for
>>> >> > preferring
>>> >> > one to another that is about our best interest and not that of the
>>> >> > party.
>>> >> > RONR does not require recusal for anything but that doesn't lessen
>>> the
>>> >> > fact
>>> >> > that there is a conflict of interest here.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I will not go against our bylaws which provide the solution already.
>>> >> > We
>>> >> > either have an in-person convention or the LNC picks the nominees
>>> >> > (using
>>> >> > whatever criteria we decide upon).
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Would I personally prefer something else?  Yes.  But that is not
>>> what
>>> >> > my
>>> >> > duty here is.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > *  In Liberty,*
>>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>>> Syndrome
>>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>>> anyone
>>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> >> > faux
>>> >> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
>>> know.
>>> >> > *
>>> >>
>>>
>>