[Lnc-business] General thoughts on this whole convention issue

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

I am really disappointed by the email sent by certain persons that prompted
the latest avalanche of emails we received from members who have been given
inflammatory information.  I was wondering what prompted all this and when
I found it was very sad.  We can be better than this.

I may not agree with many of my colleagues here but I absolutely repudiate
any smear campaigns against fellow LNC members and if any of us are
encouraging that, stop.  My two cents.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:40 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Both of the committees have done fantastic work in a very difficult
> situation. All materials and arguments will be considered of that I am
> positive.
>
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:28 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I would hope that all LNC members have read the confidential LNC report
>> hat was sent out on Tuesday and the clarification of the Bylaws
>> Committee proposal sent by Mr. Bishop-Henchman.  That report outlines
>> the option supported unanimously by the COC and the LNC will be provided
>> more details on Saturday.  Feel free to contact me or any of the COC
>> members in the meantime if you have any questions.
>>
>> Live Free,
>>
>> ---
>> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 317-850-0726 Cell
>>
>> On 2020-04-30 18:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > I view that as implicitly giving that option where there is a vacancy.
>> > But
>> > you are correct it is not explicit.  What is explicit is that online
>> > conventions are not authorized as only boards and committees can have
>> > online meetings.  There is no authority to call a "rump convention"
>> > either.
>> > The minute a convention is gaveled in, those that are there ARE the
>> > delegates authorized to conduct all convention business, and we must be
>> > prepared and have facilities to do just that.  If the delegates there
>> > then
>> > decide to change the bylaws, they of course can, but being prompted to
>> > by
>> > us does not seem appropriate to me.  I have been saying this since last
>> > convention where I still maintain the delegates were led by the nose to
>> > circumvent the rules in the at-large election which directly led to us
>> > having no JC.
>> >
>> > I guess I am just becoming very dismayed at how much we are planning to
>> > circumvent the bylaws.
>> >
>> > I am sure everyone will do what they firmly believe is right, and not
>> > all
>> > of us will agree on what that is.  No one is behaving in bad faith.
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> > faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:45 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm not sure that jibes with Article 14, Section 1, which says,
>> >> "Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the
>> >> United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately
>> >> preceding a Presidential election."
>> >>
>> >> The LNC can fill a vacancy created by the death or resignation of a
>> >> nominee, but I read the bylaws as that the initial nomination can be
>> >> done only at a convention.
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Tim Hagan
>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> >>
>> >> On 2020-04-30 15:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> > I am coming to the conclusion that we are going about this entirely
>> >> > wrong,
>> >> > and that any "online convention" should not even be on our radar.
>> Our
>> >> > bylaws ALREADY provide a solution if there is no nomination at a
>> >> > convention.  Why are we trying to find an end-run around that?  If
>> the
>> >> > delegates in the past wanted to change that they could, and they did
>> >> > not.
>> >> > No convention, the LNC votes on the nomination.  It leaves us free to
>> >> > vow
>> >> > to follow the will of some poll of the delegates (which I would
>> highly
>> >> > say
>> >> > we must) but we are creating a problem that does not exist - at least
>> >> > not
>> >> > for that issue.  I am very uncomfortable with that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Second, I believe there is a conflict of interest issue here. Some of
>> >> > us,
>> >> > myself included, have a vested interest in this proceeding as we are
>> >> > running for internal office and may have personal reasons for
>> >> > preferring
>> >> > one to another that is about our best interest and not that of the
>> >> > party.
>> >> > RONR does not require recusal for anything but that doesn't lessen
>> the
>> >> > fact
>> >> > that there is a conflict of interest here.
>> >> >
>> >> > I will not go against our bylaws which provide the solution already.
>> >> > We
>> >> > either have an in-person convention or the LNC picks the nominees
>> >> > (using
>> >> > whatever criteria we decide upon).
>> >> >
>> >> > Would I personally prefer something else?  Yes.  But that is not what
>> >> > my
>> >> > duty here is.
>> >> >
>> >> > *  In Liberty,*
>> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> anyone
>> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> >> > faux
>> >> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
>> >> > *
>> >>
>>
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