[Lnc-business] General thoughts on this whole convention issue

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Both of the committees have done fantastic work in a very difficult
situation. All materials and arguments will be considered of that I am
positive.


*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:28 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:

> I would hope that all LNC members have read the confidential LNC report
> hat was sent out on Tuesday and the clarification of the Bylaws
> Committee proposal sent by Mr. Bishop-Henchman.  That report outlines
> the option supported unanimously by the COC and the LNC will be provided
> more details on Saturday.  Feel free to contact me or any of the COC
> members in the meantime if you have any questions.
>
> Live Free,
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-04-30 18:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > I view that as implicitly giving that option where there is a vacancy.
> > But
> > you are correct it is not explicit.  What is explicit is that online
> > conventions are not authorized as only boards and committees can have
> > online meetings.  There is no authority to call a "rump convention"
> > either.
> > The minute a convention is gaveled in, those that are there ARE the
> > delegates authorized to conduct all convention business, and we must be
> > prepared and have facilities to do just that.  If the delegates there
> > then
> > decide to change the bylaws, they of course can, but being prompted to
> > by
> > us does not seem appropriate to me.  I have been saying this since last
> > convention where I still maintain the delegates were led by the nose to
> > circumvent the rules in the at-large election which directly led to us
> > having no JC.
> >
> > I guess I am just becoming very dismayed at how much we are planning to
> > circumvent the bylaws.
> >
> > I am sure everyone will do what they firmly believe is right, and not
> > all
> > of us will agree on what that is.  No one is behaving in bad faith.
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> > faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:45 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure that jibes with Article 14, Section 1, which says,
> >> "Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the
> >> United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately
> >> preceding a Presidential election."
> >>
> >> The LNC can fill a vacancy created by the death or resignation of a
> >> nominee, but I read the bylaws as that the initial nomination can be
> >> done only at a convention.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Tim Hagan
> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
> >>
> >> On 2020-04-30 15:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > I am coming to the conclusion that we are going about this entirely
> >> > wrong,
> >> > and that any "online convention" should not even be on our radar.  Our
> >> > bylaws ALREADY provide a solution if there is no nomination at a
> >> > convention.  Why are we trying to find an end-run around that?  If the
> >> > delegates in the past wanted to change that they could, and they did
> >> > not.
> >> > No convention, the LNC votes on the nomination.  It leaves us free to
> >> > vow
> >> > to follow the will of some poll of the delegates (which I would highly
> >> > say
> >> > we must) but we are creating a problem that does not exist - at least
> >> > not
> >> > for that issue.  I am very uncomfortable with that.
> >> >
> >> > Second, I believe there is a conflict of interest issue here. Some of
> >> > us,
> >> > myself included, have a vested interest in this proceeding as we are
> >> > running for internal office and may have personal reasons for
> >> > preferring
> >> > one to another that is about our best interest and not that of the
> >> > party.
> >> > RONR does not require recusal for anything but that doesn't lessen the
> >> > fact
> >> > that there is a conflict of interest here.
> >> >
> >> > I will not go against our bylaws which provide the solution already.
> >> > We
> >> > either have an in-person convention or the LNC picks the nominees
> >> > (using
> >> > whatever criteria we decide upon).
> >> >
> >> > Would I personally prefer something else?  Yes.  But that is not what
> >> > my
> >> > duty here is.
> >> >
> >> > *  In Liberty,*
> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> > faux
> >> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
> >> > *
> >>
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