[Lnc-business] General thoughts on this whole convention issue

[Sam Goldstein]

I would hope that all LNC members have read the confidential LNC report 
hat was sent out on Tuesday and the clarification of the Bylaws 
Committee proposal sent by Mr. Bishop-Henchman.  That report outlines 
the option supported unanimously by the COC and the LNC will be provided 
more details on Saturday.  Feel free to contact me or any of the COC 
members in the meantime if you have any questions.

Live Free,

---
Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell

On 2020-04-30 18:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> I view that as implicitly giving that option where there is a vacancy.  
> But
> you are correct it is not explicit.  What is explicit is that online
> conventions are not authorized as only boards and committees can have
> online meetings.  There is no authority to call a "rump convention" 
> either.
> The minute a convention is gaveled in, those that are there ARE the
> delegates authorized to conduct all convention business, and we must be
> prepared and have facilities to do just that.  If the delegates there 
> then
> decide to change the bylaws, they of course can, but being prompted to 
> by
> us does not seem appropriate to me.  I have been saying this since last
> convention where I still maintain the delegates were led by the nose to
> circumvent the rules in the at-large election which directly led to us
> having no JC.
> 
> I guess I am just becoming very dismayed at how much we are planning to
> circumvent the bylaws.
> 
> I am sure everyone will do what they firmly believe is right, and not 
> all
> of us will agree on what that is.  No one is behaving in bad faith.
> 
> *In Liberty,*
> 
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
> faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:45 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure that jibes with Article 14, Section 1, which says,
>> "Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the
>> United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately
>> preceding a Presidential election."
>> 
>> The LNC can fill a vacancy created by the death or resignation of a
>> nominee, but I read the bylaws as that the initial nomination can be
>> done only at a convention.
>> 
>> ---
>> Tim Hagan
>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
>> 
>> On 2020-04-30 15:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > I am coming to the conclusion that we are going about this entirely
>> > wrong,
>> > and that any "online convention" should not even be on our radar.  Our
>> > bylaws ALREADY provide a solution if there is no nomination at a
>> > convention.  Why are we trying to find an end-run around that?  If the
>> > delegates in the past wanted to change that they could, and they did
>> > not.
>> > No convention, the LNC votes on the nomination.  It leaves us free to
>> > vow
>> > to follow the will of some poll of the delegates (which I would highly
>> > say
>> > we must) but we are creating a problem that does not exist - at least
>> > not
>> > for that issue.  I am very uncomfortable with that.
>> >
>> > Second, I believe there is a conflict of interest issue here. Some of
>> > us,
>> > myself included, have a vested interest in this proceeding as we are
>> > running for internal office and may have personal reasons for
>> > preferring
>> > one to another that is about our best interest and not that of the
>> > party.
>> > RONR does not require recusal for anything but that doesn't lessen the
>> > fact
>> > that there is a conflict of interest here.
>> >
>> > I will not go against our bylaws which provide the solution already.
>> > We
>> > either have an in-person convention or the LNC picks the nominees
>> > (using
>> > whatever criteria we decide upon).
>> >
>> > Would I personally prefer something else?  Yes.  But that is not what
>> > my
>> > duty here is.
>> >
>> > *  In Liberty,*
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> > faux
>> > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
>> > *
>>