[Lnc-business] Fwd: Re: An article that may be of interest to the members of the Libertarian National Committee

Mon May 4 05:53:13 EDT 2020

Since this is now the complaint thread, more disturbing developments have
happened.  Our chair is now on social media attacking the convention
committee, particularly the convention committee chair.  Some of the
attacks go beyond typical in-party to allegations of malfeasance.  If the
chair has charges against any members of the CoC bring them in a dignified
and proper manner and give them their trial.  Don't insinuate things on
social media.  I cannot believe I am even having to say this.

Daniel Hayes is being thrown under the bus to serve our Chair's personal
agenda.  Any LNC member who supports that, after all the work he has done
for our conventions, should be ashamed of themselves.   This is
beyond ridiculous.  I guess a sacrificial lamb must be had in order for our
chair to win.  It was clear at the end of last meeting that the vote was an
incredible strike to ego, and I will not be silent as Mr. Hayes is being
made the scapegoat.  If our chair mistakenly trusted him or the CoC that is
on the chair.  The buck stops with him.  This is beyond the realm of
ridiculous at this point.  If anyone wants to see the the thread where this
discussion started, email me privately.  It is on the thread of a private
member, and I do not wish to expose their personal wall here on a public
list. That member did not ask for that.

Who else here is willing to throw Daniel Hayes under the bus?  I am not.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:37 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Thank you Ms. Adams.  I do hope that this body finds my RONR citations
> interesting reads as well and stop attacking the messenger and dealing with
> the message.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:26 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mr Chair. That was an interesting read. I found this article to
>> be interesting as well
>>
>>
>> https://www.nonprofitissues.com/to-the-point/what%E2%80%99s-risk-not-following-bylaws
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2020 12:48 AM, "justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business" <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I apologize, my previous message was responded to the wrong thread. The
>> volume of emails lately makes for a messy inbox.
>>
>> Justin O'Donnell
>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>
>> On May 4, 2020 1:46 AM, justin.odonnell at lp.org wrote:
>>
>> Quick parliamentary convention.
>> Since Nick passed the gavel to Alex, and Mr Merced was the presiding
>> officer at the time a motion was made to adjourn the meeting to a specific
>> date and time, are we not technically in that same meeting to be reconvened
>> at the set date and time, and is not Mr Merced still technically the
>> presiding officer since the gavel was never returned to Mr Sarwark prior to
>> adjournment?
>>
>> If this is the case, would not Mr. Sarwark be free to engage in debate as
>> a member?
>>
>>
>> Justin O'Donnell
>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>
>> On May 3, 2020 10:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I cited it in the meeting.  I’m with a houseguest.  When I’m free I’ll do
>> so again.
>>
>> I began to study thus when he voted in his financial self interest before
>> your time.  I spoke out then too.
>>
>> The outside us watching and judging us just as shady as any other
>> political
>> organization.
>>
>> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:00 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > My point, Madam Secretary, is that you yourself utilized the same
>> > opportunity that myself and the Chair utilized as a member of this
>> party to
>> > address the Bylaws committee during public comments. It is a right of
>> > members that does not go away without specific citation, as the bylaws
>> > committee is a committee of the convention, and not that of the LNC. In
>> > other words, the LNC Chair has no jurisdiction, nor undue influence
>> over
>> > the Bylaws committee, and the Bylaws committee, to their credit,
>> operated
>> > outside of that influence.
>> >
>> > To further answer your question: yes, I do request the citation that
>> you
>> > are referencing in regards to impartiality of the Chair as I would like
>> to
>> > review your claims for accuracy.
>> >
>> > Further, I respectfully request the citation to RONR that you gave in
>> the
>> > meeting yesterday to suppress the customary vote of the chair of the
>> LNC.
>> > If we have been doing it wrong, yes, I want to know, as this will be
>> > valuable information to inform the Bylaws for future amendments.
>> >
>> >
>> > Parliamentary authority should not be wielded as a bludgeon, we are all
>> > here to serve the members. Let's not lose sight of that goal.
>> > ---
>> > *Francis Wendt*
>> >
>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
>> > 406.595.5111
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2020-05-03 19:39, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>> >
>> > Nothing that affects the business of this party is outside my purview.
>> >
>> > Are you asking for citations on the fact that the chair is required to
>> be
>> > impartial while a session is ongoing?
>> >
>> > We have not adjourned the session sine die.  We are still in that
>> > session.  The chair must maintain impartiality until sine die.
>> >
>> > Circle the wagons when someone raises concerns of impropriety.  That's
>> > what most governing bodies do.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM Francis Wendt via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I would ask respectfully that the Secretary resume impartiality on
>> >> matter that are outside of her purview, such as the actions of a
>> member
>> >> of this party. If there is a specific decorum that is required of the
>> >> officers of this party I request citation. I request the Secretary
>> >> outline her view of what is proper and improper in the outside
>> dealings
>> >> of this party. Further, I request that every member of this committee
>> >> use their own judgement, and prudence in their dealings with each
>> other,
>> >> and the public.
>> >>
>> >> Of course my requests mean nothing, because I am just an alternate.
>> Such
>> >> is the way we roll.
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> FRANCIS WENDT
>> >> LNC Region 1 Alternate
>> >>   406.595.5111
>> >>
>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>> >> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] An article that may be of interest to the
>> >> members of the Libertarian National Committee
>> >> Date: 2020-05-03 11:49
>> >>  From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> >> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> >> Reply-To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> >>
>> >> I would ask respectfully that the chair resume the impartiality
>> required
>> >> of
>> >> a presiding officer.  Including on social media.  The lobbying to
>> change
>> >> votes seems highly improper.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:34 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Dear All,
>> >> >
>> >> > This article may be of interest to you in advance of our adjourned
>> >> > meeting
>> >> > this coming Saturday.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://hbr.org/1987/03/knowing-when-to-pull-the-plug
>> >> >
>> >> > Yours in liberty,
>> >> > Nick
>> >> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>>
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