[Lnc-business] Fwd: Re: An article that may be of interest to the members of the Libertarian National Committee

[Elizabeth Van Horn]

I suggest that you also go through proper channels if you have a 
complaint with a fellow LNC member.

Instead, you've colorfully stated an opinion, which is designed to 
influence others to your same thinking.



---
Elizabeth Van Horn
LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)




On 2020-05-04 05:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> Since this is now the complaint thread, more disturbing developments 
> have
> happened.  Our chair is now on social media attacking the convention
> committee, particularly the convention committee chair.  Some of the
> attacks go beyond typical in-party to allegations of malfeasance.  If 
> the
> chair has charges against any members of the CoC bring them in a 
> dignified
> and proper manner and give them their trial.  Don't insinuate things on
> social media.  I cannot believe I am even having to say this.
> 
> Daniel Hayes is being thrown under the bus to serve our Chair's 
> personal
> agenda.  Any LNC member who supports that, after all the work he has 
> done
> for our conventions, should be ashamed of themselves.   This is
> beyond ridiculous.  I guess a sacrificial lamb must be had in order for 
> our
> chair to win.  It was clear at the end of last meeting that the vote 
> was an
> incredible strike to ego, and I will not be silent as Mr. Hayes is 
> being
> made the scapegoat.  If our chair mistakenly trusted him or the CoC 
> that is
> on the chair.  The buck stops with him.  This is beyond the realm of
> ridiculous at this point.  If anyone wants to see the the thread where 
> this
> discussion started, email me privately.  It is on the thread of a 
> private
> member, and I do not wish to expose their personal wall here on a 
> public
> list. That member did not ask for that.
> 
> Who else here is willing to throw Daniel Hayes under the bus?  I am 
> not.
> 
> *In Liberty,*
> 
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
> faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:37 AM Caryn Ann Harlos 
> <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Ms. Adams.  I do hope that this body finds my RONR citations
>> interesting reads as well and stop attacking the messenger and dealing 
>> with
>> the message.
>> 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> 
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>> faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:26 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you Mr Chair. That was an interesting read. I found this 
>>> article to
>>> be interesting as well
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.nonprofitissues.com/to-the-point/what%E2%80%99s-risk-not-following-bylaws
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020 12:48 AM, "justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business" <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I apologize, my previous message was responded to the wrong thread. 
>>> The
>>> volume of emails lately makes for a messy inbox.
>>> 
>>> Justin O'Donnell
>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> 
>>> On May 4, 2020 1:46 AM, justin.odonnell at lp.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> Quick parliamentary convention.
>>> Since Nick passed the gavel to Alex, and Mr Merced was the presiding
>>> officer at the time a motion was made to adjourn the meeting to a 
>>> specific
>>> date and time, are we not technically in that same meeting to be 
>>> reconvened
>>> at the set date and time, and is not Mr Merced still technically the
>>> presiding officer since the gavel was never returned to Mr Sarwark 
>>> prior to
>>> adjournment?
>>> 
>>> If this is the case, would not Mr. Sarwark be free to engage in 
>>> debate as
>>> a member?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Justin O'Donnell
>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>> 
>>> On May 3, 2020 10:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I cited it in the meeting.  I’m with a houseguest.  When I’m free 
>>> I’ll do
>>> so again.
>>> 
>>> I began to study thus when he voted in his financial self interest 
>>> before
>>> your time.  I spoke out then too.
>>> 
>>> The outside us watching and judging us just as shady as any other
>>> political
>>> organization.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:00 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > My point, Madam Secretary, is that you yourself utilized the same
>>> > opportunity that myself and the Chair utilized as a member of this
>>> party to
>>> > address the Bylaws committee during public comments. It is a right of
>>> > members that does not go away without specific citation, as the bylaws
>>> > committee is a committee of the convention, and not that of the LNC. In
>>> > other words, the LNC Chair has no jurisdiction, nor undue influence
>>> over
>>> > the Bylaws committee, and the Bylaws committee, to their credit,
>>> operated
>>> > outside of that influence.
>>> >
>>> > To further answer your question: yes, I do request the citation that
>>> you
>>> > are referencing in regards to impartiality of the Chair as I would like
>>> to
>>> > review your claims for accuracy.
>>> >
>>> > Further, I respectfully request the citation to RONR that you gave in
>>> the
>>> > meeting yesterday to suppress the customary vote of the chair of the
>>> LNC.
>>> > If we have been doing it wrong, yes, I want to know, as this will be
>>> > valuable information to inform the Bylaws for future amendments.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Parliamentary authority should not be wielded as a bludgeon, we are all
>>> > here to serve the members. Let's not lose sight of that goal.
>>> > ---
>>> > *Francis Wendt*
>>> >
>>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
>>> > 406.595.5111
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2020-05-03 19:39, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Nothing that affects the business of this party is outside my purview.
>>> >
>>> > Are you asking for citations on the fact that the chair is required to
>>> be
>>> > impartial while a session is ongoing?
>>> >
>>> > We have not adjourned the session sine die.  We are still in that
>>> > session.  The chair must maintain impartiality until sine die.
>>> >
>>> > Circle the wagons when someone raises concerns of impropriety.  That's
>>> > what most governing bodies do.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM Francis Wendt via Lnc-business <
>>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I would ask respectfully that the Secretary resume impartiality on
>>> >> matter that are outside of her purview, such as the actions of a
>>> member
>>> >> of this party. If there is a specific decorum that is required of the
>>> >> officers of this party I request citation. I request the Secretary
>>> >> outline her view of what is proper and improper in the outside
>>> dealings
>>> >> of this party. Further, I request that every member of this committee
>>> >> use their own judgement, and prudence in their dealings with each
>>> other,
>>> >> and the public.
>>> >>
>>> >> Of course my requests mean nothing, because I am just an alternate.
>>> Such
>>> >> is the way we roll.
>>> >>
>>> >> ---
>>> >> FRANCIS WENDT
>>> >> LNC Region 1 Alternate
>>> >>   406.595.5111
>>> >>
>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] An article that may be of interest to the
>>> >> members of the Libertarian National Committee
>>> >> Date: 2020-05-03 11:49
>>> >>  From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>> >> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>>> >> Reply-To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>
>>> >> I would ask respectfully that the chair resume the impartiality
>>> required
>>> >> of
>>> >> a presiding officer.  Including on social media.  The lobbying to
>>> change
>>> >> votes seems highly improper.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:34 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
>>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Dear All,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This article may be of interest to you in advance of our adjourned
>>> >> > meeting
>>> >> > this coming Saturday.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > https://hbr.org/1987/03/knowing-when-to-pull-the-plug
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yours in liberty,
>>> >> > Nick
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > *In Liberty,*
>>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>>> faux
>>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> 
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> 
>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's 
>>> Syndrome
>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>>> anyone
>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>>> faux
>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>