[Lnc-business] Fwd: Re: An article that may be of interest to the members of the Libertarian National Committee

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

Bringing it to the LNC is the proper channels.  If you would like the link
I am referring to, I can send it to you privately.  Please let me know.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:06 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn at lp.org>
wrote:

> I suggest that you also go through proper channels if you have a
> complaint with a fellow LNC member.
>
> Instead, you've colorfully stated an opinion, which is designed to
> influence others to your same thinking.
>
>
>
> ---
> Elizabeth Van Horn
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>
>
>
>
> On 2020-05-04 05:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Since this is now the complaint thread, more disturbing developments
> > have
> > happened.  Our chair is now on social media attacking the convention
> > committee, particularly the convention committee chair.  Some of the
> > attacks go beyond typical in-party to allegations of malfeasance.  If
> > the
> > chair has charges against any members of the CoC bring them in a
> > dignified
> > and proper manner and give them their trial.  Don't insinuate things on
> > social media.  I cannot believe I am even having to say this.
> >
> > Daniel Hayes is being thrown under the bus to serve our Chair's
> > personal
> > agenda.  Any LNC member who supports that, after all the work he has
> > done
> > for our conventions, should be ashamed of themselves.   This is
> > beyond ridiculous.  I guess a sacrificial lamb must be had in order for
> > our
> > chair to win.  It was clear at the end of last meeting that the vote
> > was an
> > incredible strike to ego, and I will not be silent as Mr. Hayes is
> > being
> > made the scapegoat.  If our chair mistakenly trusted him or the CoC
> > that is
> > on the chair.  The buck stops with him.  This is beyond the realm of
> > ridiculous at this point.  If anyone wants to see the the thread where
> > this
> > discussion started, email me privately.  It is on the thread of a
> > private
> > member, and I do not wish to expose their personal wall here on a
> > public
> > list. That member did not ask for that.
> >
> > Who else here is willing to throw Daniel Hayes under the bus?  I am
> > not.
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> > faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:37 AM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you Ms. Adams.  I do hope that this body finds my RONR citations
> >> interesting reads as well and stop attacking the messenger and dealing
> >> with
> >> the message.
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:26 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thank you Mr Chair. That was an interesting read. I found this
> >>> article to
> >>> be interesting as well
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.nonprofitissues.com/to-the-point/what%E2%80%99s-risk-not-following-bylaws
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 4, 2020 12:48 AM, "justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business" <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I apologize, my previous message was responded to the wrong thread.
> >>> The
> >>> volume of emails lately makes for a messy inbox.
> >>>
> >>> Justin O'Donnell
> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >>>
> >>> On May 4, 2020 1:46 AM, justin.odonnell at lp.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Quick parliamentary convention.
> >>> Since Nick passed the gavel to Alex, and Mr Merced was the presiding
> >>> officer at the time a motion was made to adjourn the meeting to a
> >>> specific
> >>> date and time, are we not technically in that same meeting to be
> >>> reconvened
> >>> at the set date and time, and is not Mr Merced still technically the
> >>> presiding officer since the gavel was never returned to Mr Sarwark
> >>> prior to
> >>> adjournment?
> >>>
> >>> If this is the case, would not Mr. Sarwark be free to engage in
> >>> debate as
> >>> a member?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Justin O'Donnell
> >>> LNC Region 8 Representative
> >>>
> >>> On May 3, 2020 10:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I cited it in the meeting.  I’m with a houseguest.  When I’m free
> >>> I’ll do
> >>> so again.
> >>>
> >>> I began to study thus when he voted in his financial self interest
> >>> before
> >>> your time.  I spoke out then too.
> >>>
> >>> The outside us watching and judging us just as shady as any other
> >>> political
> >>> organization.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:00 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > My point, Madam Secretary, is that you yourself utilized the same
> >>> > opportunity that myself and the Chair utilized as a member of this
> >>> party to
> >>> > address the Bylaws committee during public comments. It is a right of
> >>> > members that does not go away without specific citation, as the
> bylaws
> >>> > committee is a committee of the convention, and not that of the LNC.
> In
> >>> > other words, the LNC Chair has no jurisdiction, nor undue influence
> >>> over
> >>> > the Bylaws committee, and the Bylaws committee, to their credit,
> >>> operated
> >>> > outside of that influence.
> >>> >
> >>> > To further answer your question: yes, I do request the citation that
> >>> you
> >>> > are referencing in regards to impartiality of the Chair as I would
> like
> >>> to
> >>> > review your claims for accuracy.
> >>> >
> >>> > Further, I respectfully request the citation to RONR that you gave in
> >>> the
> >>> > meeting yesterday to suppress the customary vote of the chair of the
> >>> LNC.
> >>> > If we have been doing it wrong, yes, I want to know, as this will be
> >>> > valuable information to inform the Bylaws for future amendments.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Parliamentary authority should not be wielded as a bludgeon, we are
> all
> >>> > here to serve the members. Let's not lose sight of that goal.
> >>> > ---
> >>> > *Francis Wendt*
> >>> >
> >>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
> >>> > 406.595.5111
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2020-05-03 19:39, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Nothing that affects the business of this party is outside my
> purview.
> >>> >
> >>> > Are you asking for citations on the fact that the chair is required
> to
> >>> be
> >>> > impartial while a session is ongoing?
> >>> >
> >>> > We have not adjourned the session sine die.  We are still in that
> >>> > session.  The chair must maintain impartiality until sine die.
> >>> >
> >>> > Circle the wagons when someone raises concerns of impropriety.
> That's
> >>> > what most governing bodies do.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM Francis Wendt via Lnc-business <
> >>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I would ask respectfully that the Secretary resume impartiality on
> >>> >> matter that are outside of her purview, such as the actions of a
> >>> member
> >>> >> of this party. If there is a specific decorum that is required of
> the
> >>> >> officers of this party I request citation. I request the Secretary
> >>> >> outline her view of what is proper and improper in the outside
> >>> dealings
> >>> >> of this party. Further, I request that every member of this
> committee
> >>> >> use their own judgement, and prudence in their dealings with each
> >>> other,
> >>> >> and the public.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Of course my requests mean nothing, because I am just an alternate.
> >>> Such
> >>> >> is the way we roll.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ---
> >>> >> FRANCIS WENDT
> >>> >> LNC Region 1 Alternate
> >>> >>   406.595.5111
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] An article that may be of interest to
> the
> >>> >> members of the Libertarian National Committee
> >>> >> Date: 2020-05-03 11:49
> >>> >>  From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> >>> >> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> >> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>> >> Reply-To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I would ask respectfully that the chair resume the impartiality
> >>> required
> >>> >> of
> >>> >> a presiding officer.  Including on social media.  The lobbying to
> >>> change
> >>> >> votes seems highly improper.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:34 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> >>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Dear All,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > This article may be of interest to you in advance of our adjourned
> >>> >> > meeting
> >>> >> > this coming Saturday.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > https://hbr.org/1987/03/knowing-when-to-pull-the-plug
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Yours in liberty,
> >>> >> > Nick
> >>> >> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> >
> >>> > *In Liberty,*
> >>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>> faux
> >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>>
> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>
> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> Syndrome
> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> anyone
> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>> faux
> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>