[Lnc-business] Electronic Balloting For POTUS/VP

Tue May 5 11:47:28 EDT 2020

Dan,

OPAVOTE can be used for state counted voting by assigning each delegate 
a state coded voting id number (AL 101 to 013, CA 1401 to 14112 or 
whatever).  Then votes can be counted and reported by delegations.

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Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
Libertarian National Committee
317-850-0726 Cell

On 2020-05-05 10:59, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> Dear LNC:
> 
> I am confident that I can solve the technical aspects of the simple 
> process
> of voting for a President and a Vice President which is IRV, single 
> vote in
> each round, given 2 weeks notice.
> 
> I would not use Voatz, which is too complicated for this simple task.
> 
> We could either use OpaVote, which I am somewhat hesitant about because 
> of
> a) its reliance on email
> b) ignores the benefits of voting by states
> 
> Alternatively we could make use of a publicly visible google 
> spreadsheet
> where the secretary would record each state's totals as reported. The
> states could vote as they see fit, but LPHQ would be happy to provide a
> technological solution (web form) for each state.
> 
> Bottom line, to enable a technical solution for President and Vice
> President I would need 2 things
> 
> 1) The credentials committee to close credentialing a week before the 
> vote.
> 2) 2 weeks set up and testing
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Daniel Fishman
> Executive Director
> The Libertarian Party
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> 
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> 
>> Mr. Wendt, you have broken the curse however.  I wish I had you as my
>> alternate when I was regional.  My life would have been immeasurably
>> easier.
>> 
>> *In Liberty,*
>> 
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If 
>> anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social 
>> faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:31 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > I can only speak for myself and not Ms. Sexton. It is my opinion that
>> > alternates may have served a distinct purpose when the were incorporated
>> > into the bylaws. Debate is relevant, but incomplete, thus I must
>> > disagree with your assessment. Their purpose is merely a fail-safe to an
>> > inoperable LNC. In a word, alternates are insurance.
>> >
>> > Before COVID-19 I had submitted amendments to the Bylaws Committee to
>> > attempt to rectify this situation the proper way with full respect to
>> > the bylaws, delegates, and history of the party. Now that we are in the
>> > environment we are in, I do not believe it is imperative to the survival
>> > of the party to consider them this term. You have mused that the Region
>> > 1 alternate seat is cursed. My assessment is that it is a factor of 11
>> > states of work with little recognition or meaningful voice. I do not
>> > mean any of this as a derogatory statement to any members of this
>> > committee past or present. It is just the nature of the beast.
>> >
>> > My main opinion is that when a custom, rule, or law becomes obsolete or
>> > hindering as the environments change, we must have the personal courage
>> > to change that failing into a workable success. I applaud the members of
>> > this committee that have done the sincere work to find that workable
>> > success in this new, changed environment.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > ---
>> > FRANCIS WENDT
>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
>> >   406.595.5111
>> >
>> > On 2020-05-04 23:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > To Ms. Sexton and Mr. Wendt - please let me know if the committee has
>> > > done
>> > > anything to make  you feel diminished by your alternate status.  The
>> > > several comments today made me feel as perhaps we have done something
>> > > wrong, and if I have ever made you feel like your voice was lesser, I
>> > > apologize.  While it is true that you cannot vote as a matter of right,
>> > > I
>> > > also found that debate rights are far more important, and that you have
>> > > equal to everyone else on this list.
>> > >
>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >
>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> > > faux
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Ms. Sexton, I think the large contours everyone is in agreement with.
>> > >> The
>> > >> "hybrid" option is fully in the delegates hands.
>> > >>
>> > >> It is unfortunate that different opinions here have led to slurs that
>> > >> amount to accusations of evil on the part of others.  I am learning
>> > >> the
>> > >> hard way there are few to no friends in politics.  Not even
>> > >> Libertarian
>> > >> politics.
>> > >>
>> > >> *In Liberty,*
>> > >>
>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > >> anyone
>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> > >> faux
>> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:04 PM Victoria Paige Lee via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> As a measly alternate I would like to say I agree with this option. I
>> > >>> think it may be the best compromise we will be able to have.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> V. Paige Sexton BSN,RN
>> > >>> Region 2 Alternate
>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> 901-390-0578
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > On May 4, 2020, at 20:09, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > 
>> > >>> > Good afternoon,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I want to give notice that myself, Joe Bishop-Henchman, John
>> Phillips
>> > >>> Jr., Caryn Ann Harlos, Bill Redpath, Alex Merced, Steven Nekhaila,
>> > >>> and
>> > >>> Richard Longstreth intend to offer and support the following motion
>> > >>> to
>> > >>> amend something previously adopted at the meeting this Saturday and
>> > >>> ask
>> > >>> that it be placed first on the agenda.  The motion is as follows:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Move to add the following to the end of the motion postponing our
>> > >>> regular convention already adopted:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > "with the exception of the nomination of our Presidential and
>> > >>> Vice-Presidential candidates which will take place electronically on
>> > >>> June
>> > >>> 6-7 via a method and procedure to be finalized by the LNC prior to
>> > >>> May
>> > >>> 18th.  All other business will take place at the previously adopted
>> > >>> in-person meeting in accordance to article 10 of The Libertarian
>> > >>> Party
>> > >>> Bylaws and Convention Rules."
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Immediately following adoption of this motion, the LNC shall take
>> up
>> > >>> the procedure with a proposal to be submitted by members of the
>> > >>> bylaws
>> > >>> committee prior to this meeting.  That procedure will be submitted to
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> LNC as soon as possible prior to the meeting.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Your friend in liberty,
>> > >>> > Joshua D. Smith
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> >
>> 