[Lnc-business] Electronic Balloting For POTUS/VP

[Daniel Fishman]

It's like you read my mind!  :)

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Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
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On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:47 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org> wrote:

> Dan,
>
> OPAVOTE can be used for state counted voting by assigning each delegate
> a state coded voting id number (AL 101 to 013, CA 1401 to 14112 or
> whatever).  Then votes can be counted and reported by delegations.
>
> ---
> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> Libertarian National Committee
> 317-850-0726 Cell
>
> On 2020-05-05 10:59, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Dear LNC:
> >
> > I am confident that I can solve the technical aspects of the simple
> > process
> > of voting for a President and a Vice President which is IRV, single
> > vote in
> > each round, given 2 weeks notice.
> >
> > I would not use Voatz, which is too complicated for this simple task.
> >
> > We could either use OpaVote, which I am somewhat hesitant about because
> > of
> > a) its reliance on email
> > b) ignores the benefits of voting by states
> >
> > Alternatively we could make use of a publicly visible google
> > spreadsheet
> > where the secretary would record each state's totals as reported. The
> > states could vote as they see fit, but LPHQ would be happy to provide a
> > technological solution (web form) for each state.
> >
> > Bottom line, to enable a technical solution for President and Vice
> > President I would need 2 things
> >
> > 1) The credentials committee to close credentialing a week before the
> > vote.
> > 2) 2 weeks set up and testing
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Daniel Fishman
> > Executive Director
> > The Libertarian Party
> > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Mr. Wendt, you have broken the curse however.  I wish I had you as my
> >> alternate when I was regional.  My life would have been immeasurably
> >> easier.
> >>
> >> *In Liberty,*
> >>
> >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> anyone
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:31 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I can only speak for myself and not Ms. Sexton. It is my opinion that
> >> > alternates may have served a distinct purpose when the were
> incorporated
> >> > into the bylaws. Debate is relevant, but incomplete, thus I must
> >> > disagree with your assessment. Their purpose is merely a fail-safe to
> an
> >> > inoperable LNC. In a word, alternates are insurance.
> >> >
> >> > Before COVID-19 I had submitted amendments to the Bylaws Committee to
> >> > attempt to rectify this situation the proper way with full respect to
> >> > the bylaws, delegates, and history of the party. Now that we are in
> the
> >> > environment we are in, I do not believe it is imperative to the
> survival
> >> > of the party to consider them this term. You have mused that the
> Region
> >> > 1 alternate seat is cursed. My assessment is that it is a factor of 11
> >> > states of work with little recognition or meaningful voice. I do not
> >> > mean any of this as a derogatory statement to any members of this
> >> > committee past or present. It is just the nature of the beast.
> >> >
> >> > My main opinion is that when a custom, rule, or law becomes obsolete
> or
> >> > hindering as the environments change, we must have the personal
> courage
> >> > to change that failing into a workable success. I applaud the members
> of
> >> > this committee that have done the sincere work to find that workable
> >> > success in this new, changed environment.
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > FRANCIS WENDT
> >> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
> >> >   406.595.5111
> >> >
> >> > On 2020-05-04 23:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> > > To Ms. Sexton and Mr. Wendt - please let me know if the committee
> has
> >> > > done
> >> > > anything to make  you feel diminished by your alternate status.  The
> >> > > several comments today made me feel as perhaps we have done
> something
> >> > > wrong, and if I have ever made you feel like your voice was lesser,
> I
> >> > > apologize.  While it is true that you cannot vote as a matter of
> right,
> >> > > I
> >> > > also found that debate rights are far more important, and that you
> have
> >> > > equal to everyone else on this list.
> >> > >
> >> > > *In Liberty,*
> >> > >
> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> > > faux
> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >> > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Ms. Sexton, I think the large contours everyone is in agreement
> with.
> >> > >> The
> >> > >> "hybrid" option is fully in the delegates hands.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> It is unfortunate that different opinions here have led to slurs
> that
> >> > >> amount to accusations of evil on the part of others.  I am learning
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> hard way there are few to no friends in politics.  Not even
> >> > >> Libertarian
> >> > >> politics.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> *In Liberty,*
> >> > >>
> >> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> > >> anyone
> >> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >> > >> faux
> >> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:04 PM Victoria Paige Lee via Lnc-business
> <
> >> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> As a measly alternate I would like to say I agree with this
> option. I
> >> > >>> think it may be the best compromise we will be able to have.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> V. Paige Sexton BSN,RN
> >> > >>> Region 2 Alternate
> >> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >> > >>> 901-390-0578
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> > On May 4, 2020, at 20:09, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business <
> >> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > 
> >> > >>> > Good afternoon,
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > I want to give notice that myself, Joe Bishop-Henchman, John
> >> Phillips
> >> > >>> Jr., Caryn Ann Harlos, Bill Redpath, Alex Merced, Steven Nekhaila,
> >> > >>> and
> >> > >>> Richard Longstreth intend to offer and support the following
> motion
> >> > >>> to
> >> > >>> amend something previously adopted at the meeting this Saturday
> and
> >> > >>> ask
> >> > >>> that it be placed first on the agenda.  The motion is as follows:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Move to add the following to the end of the motion postponing
> our
> >> > >>> regular convention already adopted:
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > "with the exception of the nomination of our Presidential and
> >> > >>> Vice-Presidential candidates which will take place electronically
> on
> >> > >>> June
> >> > >>> 6-7 via a method and procedure to be finalized by the LNC prior to
> >> > >>> May
> >> > >>> 18th.  All other business will take place at the previously
> adopted
> >> > >>> in-person meeting in accordance to article 10 of The Libertarian
> >> > >>> Party
> >> > >>> Bylaws and Convention Rules."
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Immediately following adoption of this motion, the LNC shall
> take
> >> up
> >> > >>> the procedure with a proposal to be submitted by members of the
> >> > >>> bylaws
> >> > >>> committee prior to this meeting.  That procedure will be
> submitted to
> >> > >>> the
> >> > >>> LNC as soon as possible prior to the meeting.
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> >
> >> > >>> > Your friend in liberty,
> >> > >>> > Joshua D. Smith
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> >
> >>
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