[Lnc-business] Electronic Balloting For POTUS/VP

Thu May 7 23:52:30 EDT 2020

No real support is needed.  The only question is if we can live with not
being able to know how the states voted.

OpaVote support has *eseentially* confirmed they cannot do that.

https://www.opavote.com/help/forum?place=msg%2Fopavote-support%2FSj-0QvPGVJw%2FBwhR7C3LAQAJ

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Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
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On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> For the price, does Opavote provide any real time support for setup and
> voting? Do we foresee that as something that may be required?
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Steven Nekhaila
> Region 2 Representative
> Libertarian National Committee
>
> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>
> On 2020-05-05 11:38 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> > Dan,
> >
> > I already did that for you:
> >
> > Electronic Voting Proposal Using Opavote and Zoom
> >
> > Assuming the LNC authorizes a POTUS/VPOTUS nomination process outside
> > the normal Bylaws mandates process due to the emergency  situation
> > created by the pandemic,   I would propose the following for the
> > nomination of Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees.
> >
> > With adequate notice to credentialed delegates by email  (one week)
> > the Secretary would set a Zoom meeting for delegates (all muted with
> > no video on their side) for nominations and elections.
> >
> > During that week credentialed delegates would be assigned a code to
> > vote in an Opavote poll to determine which of the announced candidates
> > for President and Vice-President of the United States would be
> > nominated.  No delegate may join in nominating more than one candidate
> > for each office.  Losing Presidential candidates would be offered an
> > opportunity to run in the Vice-Presidential nomination process
> > following the conclusion of the Presidential nomination.  Any
> > candidate garnering at least 30 votes in the poll would be nominated
> > on Voting Day
> >
> > Each nominated Presidential candidate would get 16 minutes for
> > nominating speeches from the candidate/supporters.  Following
> > nominating speeches each credentialed delegated will receive an
> > Opavote ballot with a one-time code and will have 15 minutes to vote.
> > The Secretary will announce the results of the first ballot and if no
> > one gets 50% plus 1 vote we proceed to drop the lowest and those with
> > less than 5%.  Those dropped would be offered two minutes address the
> > delegated through the Zoom meeting if they so choose.  The Election
> > process would then proceed as at an in-person convention until the
> > party has a nominee for President of the United States.
> >
> > Following the selection of the Presidential candidates the above
> > nomination and voting process would be repeated for Vice-President
> > with nominating speeches being limited to 8 minutes.
> >
> > OPAVOTE is $90.00 per round of voting for up to 2000 voters.
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > Libertarian National Committee
> > 317-850-0726 Cell
> >
> > On 2020-05-05 10:59, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> >> Dear LNC:
> >>
> >> I am confident that I can solve the technical aspects of the simple
> >> process
> >> of voting for a President and a Vice President which is IRV, single
> >> vote in
> >> each round, given 2 weeks notice.
> >>
> >> I would not use Voatz, which is too complicated for this simple task.
> >>
> >> We could either use OpaVote, which I am somewhat hesitant about
> >> because of
> >> a) its reliance on email
> >> b) ignores the benefits of voting by states
> >>
> >> Alternatively we could make use of a publicly visible google
> >> spreadsheet
> >> where the secretary would record each state's totals as reported. The
> >> states could vote as they see fit, but LPHQ would be happy to provide
> >> a
> >> technological solution (web form) for each state.
> >>
> >> Bottom line, to enable a technical solution for President and Vice
> >> President I would need 2 things
> >>
> >> 1) The credentials committee to close credentialing a week before the
> >> vote.
> >> 2) 2 weeks set up and testing
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Daniel Fishman
> >> Executive Director
> >> The Libertarian Party
> >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mr. Wendt, you have broken the curse however.  I wish I had you as my
> >>> alternate when I was regional.  My life would have been immeasurably
> >>> easier.
> >>>
> >>> *In Liberty,*
> >>>
> >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >>> Syndrome
> >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> anyone
> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >>> faux
> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:31 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > I can only speak for myself and not Ms. Sexton. It is my opinion that
> >>> > alternates may have served a distinct purpose when the were
> incorporated
> >>> > into the bylaws. Debate is relevant, but incomplete, thus I must
> >>> > disagree with your assessment. Their purpose is merely a fail-safe
> to an
> >>> > inoperable LNC. In a word, alternates are insurance.
> >>> >
> >>> > Before COVID-19 I had submitted amendments to the Bylaws Committee to
> >>> > attempt to rectify this situation the proper way with full respect to
> >>> > the bylaws, delegates, and history of the party. Now that we are in
> the
> >>> > environment we are in, I do not believe it is imperative to the
> survival
> >>> > of the party to consider them this term. You have mused that the
> Region
> >>> > 1 alternate seat is cursed. My assessment is that it is a factor of
> 11
> >>> > states of work with little recognition or meaningful voice. I do not
> >>> > mean any of this as a derogatory statement to any members of this
> >>> > committee past or present. It is just the nature of the beast.
> >>> >
> >>> > My main opinion is that when a custom, rule, or law becomes obsolete
> or
> >>> > hindering as the environments change, we must have the personal
> courage
> >>> > to change that failing into a workable success. I applaud the
> members of
> >>> > this committee that have done the sincere work to find that workable
> >>> > success in this new, changed environment.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sincerely,
> >>> >
> >>> > ---
> >>> > FRANCIS WENDT
> >>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
> >>> >   406.595.5111
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2020-05-04 23:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> >>> > > To Ms. Sexton and Mr. Wendt - please let me know if the committee
> has
> >>> > > done
> >>> > > anything to make  you feel diminished by your alternate status.
> The
> >>> > > several comments today made me feel as perhaps we have done
> something
> >>> > > wrong, and if I have ever made you feel like your voice was
> lesser, I
> >>> > > apologize.  While it is true that you cannot vote as a matter of
> right,
> >>> > > I
> >>> > > also found that debate rights are far more important, and that you
> have
> >>> > > equal to everyone else on this list.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > *In Liberty,*
> >>> > >
> >>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> > > faux
> >>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> >>> > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >> Ms. Sexton, I think the large contours everyone is in agreement
> with.
> >>> > >> The
> >>> > >> "hybrid" option is fully in the delegates hands.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> It is unfortunate that different opinions here have led to slurs
> that
> >>> > >> amount to accusations of evil on the part of others.  I am
> learning
> >>> > >> the
> >>> > >> hard way there are few to no friends in politics.  Not even
> >>> > >> Libertarian
> >>> > >> politics.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> *In Liberty,*
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> Syndrome
> >>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >>> > >> anyone
> >>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> social
> >>> > >> faux
> >>> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:04 PM Victoria Paige Lee via
> Lnc-business <
> >>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>> As a measly alternate I would like to say I agree with this
> option. I
> >>> > >>> think it may be the best compromise we will be able to have.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> V. Paige Sexton BSN,RN
> >>> > >>> Region 2 Alternate
> >>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
> >>> > >>> 901-390-0578
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> > On May 4, 2020, at 20:09, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business <
> >>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> > >>> > Good afternoon,
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > I want to give notice that myself, Joe Bishop-Henchman, John
> >>> Phillips
> >>> > >>> Jr., Caryn Ann Harlos, Bill Redpath, Alex Merced, Steven
> Nekhaila,
> >>> > >>> and
> >>> > >>> Richard Longstreth intend to offer and support the following
> motion
> >>> > >>> to
> >>> > >>> amend something previously adopted at the meeting this Saturday
> and
> >>> > >>> ask
> >>> > >>> that it be placed first on the agenda.  The motion is as follows:
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Move to add the following to the end of the motion postponing
> our
> >>> > >>> regular convention already adopted:
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > "with the exception of the nomination of our Presidential and
> >>> > >>> Vice-Presidential candidates which will take place
> electronically on
> >>> > >>> June
> >>> > >>> 6-7 via a method and procedure to be finalized by the LNC prior
> to
> >>> > >>> May
> >>> > >>> 18th.  All other business will take place at the previously
> adopted
> >>> > >>> in-person meeting in accordance to article 10 of The Libertarian
> >>> > >>> Party
> >>> > >>> Bylaws and Convention Rules."
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Immediately following adoption of this motion, the LNC shall
> take
> >>> up
> >>> > >>> the procedure with a proposal to be submitted by members of the
> >>> > >>> bylaws
> >>> > >>> committee prior to this meeting.  That procedure will be
> submitted to
> >>> > >>> the
> >>> > >>> LNC as soon as possible prior to the meeting.
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> >
> >>> > >>> > Your friend in liberty,
> >>> > >>> > Joshua D. Smith
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
>