[Lnc-business] Electronic Balloting For POTUS/VP

Fri May 8 00:16:48 EDT 2020

We can't live without that IMHO.  But I do not agree that we cannot know.
We need to treat each state as a separate election.  Then we do know which
code voters come from each state.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:52 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> No real support is needed.  The only question is if we can live with not
> being able to know how the states voted.
>
> OpaVote support has *eseentially* confirmed they cannot do that.
>
>
> https://www.opavote.com/help/forum?place=msg%2Fopavote-support%2FSj-0QvPGVJw%2FBwhR7C3LAQAJ
>
> ---
> Daniel Fishman
> Executive Director
> The Libertarian Party
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>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
> > For the price, does Opavote provide any real time support for setup and
> > voting? Do we foresee that as something that may be required?
> >
> > In Liberty,
> >
> > Steven Nekhaila
> > Region 2 Representative
> > Libertarian National Committee
> >
> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
> >
> > On 2020-05-05 11:38 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > I already did that for you:
> > >
> > > Electronic Voting Proposal Using Opavote and Zoom
> > >
> > > Assuming the LNC authorizes a POTUS/VPOTUS nomination process outside
> > > the normal Bylaws mandates process due to the emergency  situation
> > > created by the pandemic,   I would propose the following for the
> > > nomination of Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees.
> > >
> > > With adequate notice to credentialed delegates by email  (one week)
> > > the Secretary would set a Zoom meeting for delegates (all muted with
> > > no video on their side) for nominations and elections.
> > >
> > > During that week credentialed delegates would be assigned a code to
> > > vote in an Opavote poll to determine which of the announced candidates
> > > for President and Vice-President of the United States would be
> > > nominated.  No delegate may join in nominating more than one candidate
> > > for each office.  Losing Presidential candidates would be offered an
> > > opportunity to run in the Vice-Presidential nomination process
> > > following the conclusion of the Presidential nomination.  Any
> > > candidate garnering at least 30 votes in the poll would be nominated
> > > on Voting Day
> > >
> > > Each nominated Presidential candidate would get 16 minutes for
> > > nominating speeches from the candidate/supporters.  Following
> > > nominating speeches each credentialed delegated will receive an
> > > Opavote ballot with a one-time code and will have 15 minutes to vote.
> > > The Secretary will announce the results of the first ballot and if no
> > > one gets 50% plus 1 vote we proceed to drop the lowest and those with
> > > less than 5%.  Those dropped would be offered two minutes address the
> > > delegated through the Zoom meeting if they so choose.  The Election
> > > process would then proceed as at an in-person convention until the
> > > party has a nominee for President of the United States.
> > >
> > > Following the selection of the Presidential candidates the above
> > > nomination and voting process would be repeated for Vice-President
> > > with nominating speeches being limited to 8 minutes.
> > >
> > > OPAVOTE is $90.00 per round of voting for up to 2000 voters.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
> > > Libertarian National Committee
> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
> > >
> > > On 2020-05-05 10:59, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >> Dear LNC:
> > >>
> > >> I am confident that I can solve the technical aspects of the simple
> > >> process
> > >> of voting for a President and a Vice President which is IRV, single
> > >> vote in
> > >> each round, given 2 weeks notice.
> > >>
> > >> I would not use Voatz, which is too complicated for this simple task.
> > >>
> > >> We could either use OpaVote, which I am somewhat hesitant about
> > >> because of
> > >> a) its reliance on email
> > >> b) ignores the benefits of voting by states
> > >>
> > >> Alternatively we could make use of a publicly visible google
> > >> spreadsheet
> > >> where the secretary would record each state's totals as reported. The
> > >> states could vote as they see fit, but LPHQ would be happy to provide
> > >> a
> > >> technological solution (web form) for each state.
> > >>
> > >> Bottom line, to enable a technical solution for President and Vice
> > >> President I would need 2 things
> > >>
> > >> 1) The credentials committee to close credentialing a week before the
> > >> vote.
> > >> 2) 2 weeks set up and testing
> > >>
> > >> Dan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Daniel Fishman
> > >> Executive Director
> > >> The Libertarian Party
> > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Mr. Wendt, you have broken the curse however.  I wish I had you as my
> > >>> alternate when I was regional.  My life would have been immeasurably
> > >>> easier.
> > >>>
> > >>> *In Liberty,*
> > >>>
> > >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > >>> Syndrome
> > >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > >>> anyone
> > >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> > >>> faux
> > >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:31 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > I can only speak for myself and not Ms. Sexton. It is my opinion
> that
> > >>> > alternates may have served a distinct purpose when the were
> > incorporated
> > >>> > into the bylaws. Debate is relevant, but incomplete, thus I must
> > >>> > disagree with your assessment. Their purpose is merely a fail-safe
> > to an
> > >>> > inoperable LNC. In a word, alternates are insurance.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Before COVID-19 I had submitted amendments to the Bylaws Committee
> to
> > >>> > attempt to rectify this situation the proper way with full respect
> to
> > >>> > the bylaws, delegates, and history of the party. Now that we are in
> > the
> > >>> > environment we are in, I do not believe it is imperative to the
> > survival
> > >>> > of the party to consider them this term. You have mused that the
> > Region
> > >>> > 1 alternate seat is cursed. My assessment is that it is a factor of
> > 11
> > >>> > states of work with little recognition or meaningful voice. I do
> not
> > >>> > mean any of this as a derogatory statement to any members of this
> > >>> > committee past or present. It is just the nature of the beast.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > My main opinion is that when a custom, rule, or law becomes
> obsolete
> > or
> > >>> > hindering as the environments change, we must have the personal
> > courage
> > >>> > to change that failing into a workable success. I applaud the
> > members of
> > >>> > this committee that have done the sincere work to find that
> workable
> > >>> > success in this new, changed environment.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Sincerely,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ---
> > >>> > FRANCIS WENDT
> > >>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
> > >>> >   406.595.5111
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On 2020-05-04 23:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
> > >>> > > To Ms. Sexton and Mr. Wendt - please let me know if the committee
> > has
> > >>> > > done
> > >>> > > anything to make  you feel diminished by your alternate status.
> > The
> > >>> > > several comments today made me feel as perhaps we have done
> > something
> > >>> > > wrong, and if I have ever made you feel like your voice was
> > lesser, I
> > >>> > > apologize.  While it is true that you cannot vote as a matter of
> > right,
> > >>> > > I
> > >>> > > also found that debate rights are far more important, and that
> you
> > have
> > >>> > > equal to everyone else on this list.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > *In Liberty,*
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > Syndrome
> > >>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > >>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > anyone
> > >>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > social
> > >>> > > faux
> > >>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
> > >>> > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> > >>> > > wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >> Ms. Sexton, I think the large contours everyone is in agreement
> > with.
> > >>> > >> The
> > >>> > >> "hybrid" option is fully in the delegates hands.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> It is unfortunate that different opinions here have led to slurs
> > that
> > >>> > >> amount to accusations of evil on the part of others.  I am
> > learning
> > >>> > >> the
> > >>> > >> hard way there are few to no friends in politics.  Not even
> > >>> > >> Libertarian
> > >>> > >> politics.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> *In Liberty,*
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> > Syndrome
> > >>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > >>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> > >>> > >> anyone
> > >>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> > social
> > >>> > >> faux
> > >>> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:04 PM Victoria Paige Lee via
> > Lnc-business <
> > >>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>> As a measly alternate I would like to say I agree with this
> > option. I
> > >>> > >>> think it may be the best compromise we will be able to have.
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> V. Paige Sexton BSN,RN
> > >>> > >>> Region 2 Alternate
> > >>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
> > >>> > >>> 901-390-0578
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> > On May 4, 2020, at 20:09, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business <
> > >>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> > 
> > >>> > >>> > Good afternoon,
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> > I want to give notice that myself, Joe Bishop-Henchman, John
> > >>> Phillips
> > >>> > >>> Jr., Caryn Ann Harlos, Bill Redpath, Alex Merced, Steven
> > Nekhaila,
> > >>> > >>> and
> > >>> > >>> Richard Longstreth intend to offer and support the following
> > motion
> > >>> > >>> to
> > >>> > >>> amend something previously adopted at the meeting this Saturday
> > and
> > >>> > >>> ask
> > >>> > >>> that it be placed first on the agenda.  The motion is as
> follows:
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> > Move to add the following to the end of the motion postponing
> > our
> > >>> > >>> regular convention already adopted:
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> > "with the exception of the nomination of our Presidential and
> > >>> > >>> Vice-Presidential candidates which will take place
> > electronically on
> > >>> > >>> June
> > >>> > >>> 6-7 via a method and procedure to be finalized by the LNC prior
> > to
> > >>> > >>> May
> > >>> > >>> 18th.  All other business will take place at the previously
> > adopted
> > >>> > >>> in-person meeting in accordance to article 10 of The
> Libertarian
> > >>> > >>> Party
> > >>> > >>> Bylaws and Convention Rules."
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> > Immediately following adoption of this motion, the LNC shall
> > take
> > >>> up
> > >>> > >>> the procedure with a proposal to be submitted by members of the
> > >>> > >>> bylaws
> > >>> > >>> committee prior to this meeting.  That procedure will be
> > submitted to
> > >>> > >>> the
> > >>> > >>> LNC as soon as possible prior to the meeting.
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> >
> > >>> > >>> > Your friend in liberty,
> > >>> > >>> > Joshua D. Smith
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> >
>