[Lnc-business] Electronic Balloting For POTUS/VP

[Daniel Fishman]

Perhaps we let the states decide amongst themselves how they are going to
poll their members and give them a spreadsheet (delegates vertical choices
horizontal) and then they paste their result into the secretaries
spreadsheet.  I'm happy to assist with the creation of google spreadsheets.
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Daniel Fishman
Executive Director
The Libertarian Party
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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> We can't live without that IMHO.  But I do not agree that we cannot know.
> We need to treat each state as a separate election.  Then we do know which
> code voters come from each state.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:52 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> No real support is needed.  The only question is if we can live with not
>> being able to know how the states voted.
>>
>> OpaVote support has *eseentially* confirmed they cannot do that.
>>
>>
>> https://www.opavote.com/help/forum?place=msg%2Fopavote-support%2FSj-0QvPGVJw%2FBwhR7C3LAQAJ
>>
>> ---
>> Daniel Fishman
>> Executive Director
>> The Libertarian Party
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>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > For the price, does Opavote provide any real time support for setup and
>> > voting? Do we foresee that as something that may be required?
>> >
>> > In Liberty,
>> >
>> > Steven Nekhaila
>> > Region 2 Representative
>> > Libertarian National Committee
>> >
>> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
>> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
>> >
>> > On 2020-05-05 11:38 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > > Dan,
>> > >
>> > > I already did that for you:
>> > >
>> > > Electronic Voting Proposal Using Opavote and Zoom
>> > >
>> > > Assuming the LNC authorizes a POTUS/VPOTUS nomination process outside
>> > > the normal Bylaws mandates process due to the emergency  situation
>> > > created by the pandemic,   I would propose the following for the
>> > > nomination of Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees.
>> > >
>> > > With adequate notice to credentialed delegates by email  (one week)
>> > > the Secretary would set a Zoom meeting for delegates (all muted with
>> > > no video on their side) for nominations and elections.
>> > >
>> > > During that week credentialed delegates would be assigned a code to
>> > > vote in an Opavote poll to determine which of the announced candidates
>> > > for President and Vice-President of the United States would be
>> > > nominated.  No delegate may join in nominating more than one candidate
>> > > for each office.  Losing Presidential candidates would be offered an
>> > > opportunity to run in the Vice-Presidential nomination process
>> > > following the conclusion of the Presidential nomination.  Any
>> > > candidate garnering at least 30 votes in the poll would be nominated
>> > > on Voting Day
>> > >
>> > > Each nominated Presidential candidate would get 16 minutes for
>> > > nominating speeches from the candidate/supporters.  Following
>> > > nominating speeches each credentialed delegated will receive an
>> > > Opavote ballot with a one-time code and will have 15 minutes to vote.
>> > > The Secretary will announce the results of the first ballot and if no
>> > > one gets 50% plus 1 vote we proceed to drop the lowest and those with
>> > > less than 5%.  Those dropped would be offered two minutes address the
>> > > delegated through the Zoom meeting if they so choose.  The Election
>> > > process would then proceed as at an in-person convention until the
>> > > party has a nominee for President of the United States.
>> > >
>> > > Following the selection of the Presidential candidates the above
>> > > nomination and voting process would be repeated for Vice-President
>> > > with nominating speeches being limited to 8 minutes.
>> > >
>> > > OPAVOTE is $90.00 per round of voting for up to 2000 voters.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> > > Libertarian National Committee
>> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> > >
>> > > On 2020-05-05 10:59, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >> Dear LNC:
>> > >>
>> > >> I am confident that I can solve the technical aspects of the simple
>> > >> process
>> > >> of voting for a President and a Vice President which is IRV, single
>> > >> vote in
>> > >> each round, given 2 weeks notice.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would not use Voatz, which is too complicated for this simple task.
>> > >>
>> > >> We could either use OpaVote, which I am somewhat hesitant about
>> > >> because of
>> > >> a) its reliance on email
>> > >> b) ignores the benefits of voting by states
>> > >>
>> > >> Alternatively we could make use of a publicly visible google
>> > >> spreadsheet
>> > >> where the secretary would record each state's totals as reported. The
>> > >> states could vote as they see fit, but LPHQ would be happy to provide
>> > >> a
>> > >> technological solution (web form) for each state.
>> > >>
>> > >> Bottom line, to enable a technical solution for President and Vice
>> > >> President I would need 2 things
>> > >>
>> > >> 1) The credentials committee to close credentialing a week before the
>> > >> vote.
>> > >> 2) 2 weeks set up and testing
>> > >>
>> > >> Dan
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ---
>> > >> Daniel Fishman
>> > >> Executive Director
>> > >> The Libertarian Party
>> > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Mr. Wendt, you have broken the curse however.  I wish I had you as
>> my
>> > >>> alternate when I was regional.  My life would have been immeasurably
>> > >>> easier.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> *In Liberty,*
>> > >>>
>> > >>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > >>> Syndrome
>> > >>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > >>> anyone
>> > >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> > >>> faux
>> > >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:31 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt at lp.org
>> >
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > I can only speak for myself and not Ms. Sexton. It is my opinion
>> that
>> > >>> > alternates may have served a distinct purpose when the were
>> > incorporated
>> > >>> > into the bylaws. Debate is relevant, but incomplete, thus I must
>> > >>> > disagree with your assessment. Their purpose is merely a fail-safe
>> > to an
>> > >>> > inoperable LNC. In a word, alternates are insurance.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Before COVID-19 I had submitted amendments to the Bylaws
>> Committee to
>> > >>> > attempt to rectify this situation the proper way with full
>> respect to
>> > >>> > the bylaws, delegates, and history of the party. Now that we are
>> in
>> > the
>> > >>> > environment we are in, I do not believe it is imperative to the
>> > survival
>> > >>> > of the party to consider them this term. You have mused that the
>> > Region
>> > >>> > 1 alternate seat is cursed. My assessment is that it is a factor
>> of
>> > 11
>> > >>> > states of work with little recognition or meaningful voice. I do
>> not
>> > >>> > mean any of this as a derogatory statement to any members of this
>> > >>> > committee past or present. It is just the nature of the beast.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > My main opinion is that when a custom, rule, or law becomes
>> obsolete
>> > or
>> > >>> > hindering as the environments change, we must have the personal
>> > courage
>> > >>> > to change that failing into a workable success. I applaud the
>> > members of
>> > >>> > this committee that have done the sincere work to find that
>> workable
>> > >>> > success in this new, changed environment.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Sincerely,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > ---
>> > >>> > FRANCIS WENDT
>> > >>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
>> > >>> >   406.595.5111
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On 2020-05-04 23:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > >>> > > To Ms. Sexton and Mr. Wendt - please let me know if the
>> committee
>> > has
>> > >>> > > done
>> > >>> > > anything to make  you feel diminished by your alternate status.
>> > The
>> > >>> > > several comments today made me feel as perhaps we have done
>> > something
>> > >>> > > wrong, and if I have ever made you feel like your voice was
>> > lesser, I
>> > >>> > > apologize.  While it is true that you cannot vote as a matter of
>> > right,
>> > >>> > > I
>> > >>> > > also found that debate rights are far more important, and that
>> you
>> > have
>> > >>> > > equal to everyone else on this list.
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > *In Liberty,*
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > >>> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > anyone
>> > >>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > social
>> > >>> > > faux
>> > >>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
>> > >>> > > <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > >>> > > wrote:
>> > >>> > >
>> > >>> > >> Ms. Sexton, I think the large contours everyone is in agreement
>> > with.
>> > >>> > >> The
>> > >>> > >> "hybrid" option is fully in the delegates hands.
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> It is unfortunate that different opinions here have led to
>> slurs
>> > that
>> > >>> > >> amount to accusations of evil on the part of others.  I am
>> > learning
>> > >>> > >> the
>> > >>> > >> hard way there are few to no friends in politics.  Not even
>> > >>> > >> Libertarian
>> > >>> > >> politics.
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> *In Liberty,*
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > Syndrome
>> > >>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > >>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > >>> > >> anyone
>> > >>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > social
>> > >>> > >> faux
>> > >>> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:04 PM Victoria Paige Lee via
>> > Lnc-business <
>> > >>> > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> > >>
>> > >>> > >>> As a measly alternate I would like to say I agree with this
>> > option. I
>> > >>> > >>> think it may be the best compromise we will be able to have.
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> V. Paige Sexton BSN,RN
>> > >>> > >>> Region 2 Alternate
>> > >>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > >>> > >>> 901-390-0578
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>> > On May 4, 2020, at 20:09, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business <
>> > >>> > >>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > 
>> > >>> > >>> > Good afternoon,
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > I want to give notice that myself, Joe Bishop-Henchman, John
>> > >>> Phillips
>> > >>> > >>> Jr., Caryn Ann Harlos, Bill Redpath, Alex Merced, Steven
>> > Nekhaila,
>> > >>> > >>> and
>> > >>> > >>> Richard Longstreth intend to offer and support the following
>> > motion
>> > >>> > >>> to
>> > >>> > >>> amend something previously adopted at the meeting this
>> Saturday
>> > and
>> > >>> > >>> ask
>> > >>> > >>> that it be placed first on the agenda.  The motion is as
>> follows:
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > Move to add the following to the end of the motion
>> postponing
>> > our
>> > >>> > >>> regular convention already adopted:
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > "with the exception of the nomination of our Presidential
>> and
>> > >>> > >>> Vice-Presidential candidates which will take place
>> > electronically on
>> > >>> > >>> June
>> > >>> > >>> 6-7 via a method and procedure to be finalized by the LNC
>> prior
>> > to
>> > >>> > >>> May
>> > >>> > >>> 18th.  All other business will take place at the previously
>> > adopted
>> > >>> > >>> in-person meeting in accordance to article 10 of The
>> Libertarian
>> > >>> > >>> Party
>> > >>> > >>> Bylaws and Convention Rules."
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > Immediately following adoption of this motion, the LNC shall
>> > take
>> > >>> up
>> > >>> > >>> the procedure with a proposal to be submitted by members of
>> the
>> > >>> > >>> bylaws
>> > >>> > >>> committee prior to this meeting.  That procedure will be
>> > submitted to
>> > >>> > >>> the
>> > >>> > >>> LNC as soon as possible prior to the meeting.
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > >>> > Your friend in liberty,
>> > >>> > >>> > Joshua D. Smith
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> > >>>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>>
>> >
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