[Lnc-business] Join Us for LP Happy Hour in a Virtual Convention Hall

Sat May 9 05:04:18 EDT 2020

Dear Ms. Harlos,

With all due respect, your opinions about who is and isn't allowed to
speak, what they are allowed to say, and how they are allowed to respond to
your emails are exactly that: opinions.  They become no more persuasive
than they are with interminable repetition.

Yours truly,
Nick

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:58 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> I was only refer to Ms. Desisto.  My question was only to Mr. Fishman, and
> my language was only to him.  I certainly expected HIM to respond.  Ms.
> DeSisto was not entailed in any way.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:44 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>>
>> If LNC members are going to refer directly to staff members and complain
>> about staff members on the LNC Business list, it is unfair for those
>> _SAME_
>> LNC members to object to staff members respectfully responding on the LNC
>> Business list. Especially when those references use intemperate language
>> and cast aspersions.
>>
>> Yours in liberty,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:18 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > The LNC list is not the place for staff to be chiming in to debates.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:15 PM Tara DeSisto <tara at lphq.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dan has been killing himself for the LP and maintaining a really
>> positive
>> > > attitude and sense of purpose through it all. I know we are not
>> suppose
>> > to
>> > > have opinions on staff but sometimes it’s important to see a staff
>> > > perspective.
>> > >
>> > > We are working hard and are working to be proud of the work we
>> produce.
>> > We
>> > > know how important all of these things are because it is all we do
>> and we
>> > > are required to produce results and not opinion. These are tests runs
>> and
>> > > we have a limited staff working to adapt to the work life balance of
>> > > COVID’s impact on American Liberties and the urgency of convention in
>> a
>> > > Presidential year. We didn’t sign up for all nighters, but we are here
>> > for
>> > > the party.
>> > >
>> > > I hope the LNC continues to support us in the work we do.
>> > >
>> > > -Tara
>> > >
>> > > > On May 8, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
>> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I had the normal Happy Hour already scheduled for 5pm, I had
>> > Libertarian
>> > > > Candidate Hour on LPTV at 8pm. I thought I'd like to have something
>> to
>> > > > report before the LNC meeting tomorrow, I gave everyone as much
>> notice
>> > > as I
>> > > > possibly could have. I don't know how else to answer your question
>> as
>> > to
>> > > > why I could not give more notice. I also want to complete this as
>> fast
>> > > as I
>> > > > possibly can, while delivering a quality product.
>> > > >
>> > > > One of the reasons for the slowness in getting in was scale. Today
>> it
>> > was
>> > > > just me, Mat and Tyler running everything.  I talked with Emily
>> > Salvette
>> > > > and Susan Hogarth and we believe with the credentials committee
>> running
>> > > > credentialing we'll be much faster.  If this is the way (and I'm not
>> > > > convinced it's the best technical path, but once we got it going it
>> > > showed
>> > > > promise) we'd run it with many more producers/facilitators.
>> > > >
>> > > > The essence of the bottleneck was that I had 2 jobs. Mat was the
>> > producer
>> > > > in the main delegation hall, Tyler ran "credentials"  I was the
>> > architect
>> > > > and traffic director, setting up the hall and the rooms, moving
>> > > > "uncredentialed" people to credentials, and then credentialed
>> people to
>> > > the
>> > > > delegate hall. And of course I was tech support.
>> > > >
>> > > > I was also the person processing the submitted forms and sending out
>> > the
>> > > > confirmations.  When the rush got big at 5, I had to stop processing
>> > > forms
>> > > > because there was a ton of traffic.  Tyler was magnificent in
>> > > > "credentialling" though.
>> > > >
>> > > > Then I thought we'd cleared the decks, and Tyler sent me a text from
>> > > > Richard and I went back to look at registrants and there were 80
>> more.
>> > > So
>> > > > we processed them too.
>> > > >
>> > > > But let me be clear -- all we're doing here is testing software.
>> Every
>> > > > trial the process gets better.  We're still not ready for a
>> rehearsal,
>> > > let
>> > > > alone a dress rehearsal. Considering this blistering pace -- two
>> user
>> > > > facing demos in 4 days?
>> > > >
>> > > > But this is TESTING. The entire point of this is that things are
>> > SUPPOSED
>> > > > to go wrong. The user experience is going to be terrible in spots.
>> I'm
>> > > very
>> > > > appreciative of everyone wanting to help out with testing -- but
>> > testing
>> > > > SUCKS.  QA (quality assurance) can't be neglected though, so I am a
>> > > > believer in test test test and test again.  Get in as many tests as
>> > > > possible as fast as possible. People who want to help things get
>> better
>> > > > should jump in and help by participating in tests, and bring
>> patience.
>> > > > People who want a smooth and happy experience shouldn't be involved
>> at
>> > > this
>> > > > level.
>> > > >
>> > > > And my intent is to keep testing and getting better. And I promise
>> when
>> > > we
>> > > > get to the point that I've got something I think is serviceable
>> we'll
>> > > have
>> > > > MUCH bigger and more structured tests. Till then I intend to keep
>> > moving
>> > > as
>> > > > fast as I can from a technical stand point, and notifying the LNC as
>> > soon
>> > > > as I can about the next trial.
>> > > >
>> > > > My #1 priority is the highest quality solution as fast as I can
>> deliver
>> > > > it.
>> > > > ---
>> > > > Daniel Fishman
>> > > > Executive Director
>> > > > The Libertarian Party
>> > > > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:15 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> > > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> That really didn’t answer my question.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:55 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
>> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> I am just learning and testing software as fast as I can and as
>> soon
>> > > as I
>> > > >>> am ready. I am really appreciative that everyone wants to join,
>> but
>> > all
>> > > >>> we're doing is functionality. Nothing official is happening,
>> Noone is
>> > > >>> missing out by not being in. I prefer having real members test.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Last night at 2am I had given up on Zoom as a platform -- in fact
>> I
>> > > posted
>> > > >>> about it to staff on slack a midnight, but then stuck with it for
>> 2
>> > > more
>> > > >>> hours.  Then I had an epiphany sleeping that woke me up, got out
>> of
>> > > bed at
>> > > >>> 6am and started working. At 10am I started testing my ideas, and
>> was
>> > > >>> pleased with the results.  At 11 I demoed to LPHQ which some of
>> you
>> > > saw in
>> > > >>> standup, got pretty good feedback. Tweaked a bit, created the
>> > > environment,
>> > > >>> sent the notice to the LNC at noon.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Honestly as fast as I could.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Dan
>> > > >>> ---
>> > > >>> Daniel Fishman
>> > > >>> Executive Director
>> > > >>> The Libertarian Party
>> > > >>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:47 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Sorry 7:30
>> > > >>>> ---
>> > > >>>> Daniel Fishman
>> > > >>>> Executive Director
>> > > >>>> The Libertarian Party
>> > > >>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:47 PM Daniel Fishman <
>> dan.fishman at lphq.org
>> > >
>> > > >>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> It ended at 7pm
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> ---
>> > > >>>>> Daniel Fishman
>> > > >>>>> Executive Director
>> > > >>>>> The Libertarian Party
>> > > >>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:28 PM Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
>> > > >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> I want to clarify I registered late, so I'm patiently awaiting
>> a
>> > > link
>> > > >>> at
>> > > >>>>>> this time
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On May 8, 2020 6:27 PM, Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Registered but still have not received the link
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On May 8, 2020 5:10 PM, Phillip Anderson via Lnc-business <
>> > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Now 'I Drink Alone' by George Thorogood is in my head...    and
>> > now
>> > > >>> all
>> > > >>>>>> of
>> > > >>>>>> yours. You're welcome.
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 5:05 PM john.phillips--- via
>> Lnc-business <
>> > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> I know i got a call from a couple as well
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> John Phillips
>> > > >>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> > > >>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> On May 8, 2020 4:46 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> > > >>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> Thank you Mr Wendt.
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> And I am reading on the state chairs list that some of them
>> are
>> > > very
>> > > >>>>>> upset
>> > > >>>>>>> too.
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> Why was the promise of more notice broken?  What was the
>> urgent
>> > > need
>> > > >>>>>> to do
>> > > >>>>>>> this TONIGHT.
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> > > >>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
>> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I am talking about the convention credentialling test.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> I’m well aware of the happy hour.  I want an answer to the
>> > other.
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:21 PM Richard Longstreth <
>> > > >>>>>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>> We do happy hour events every Friday...
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
>> > Lnc-business
>> > > >>> <
>> > > >>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Mr. Fishman, can you explain why you set this up for today
>> > > >>> rather
>> > > >>>>>> than
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> give
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> us more notice?  It seemed that last time we were promised
>> > more
>> > > >>>>>>> notice,
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> yet
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> here we are and I want to know why.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
>> Asperger's
>> > > >>>>>> Syndrome
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> inter-personal
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> arenas.
>> > If
>> > > >>>>>>> anyone
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
>> other
>> > > >>>>>> social
>> > > >>>>>>> faux
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:14 PM Whitney Bilyeu via
>> > Lnc-business <
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I am still working. Unfortunately, that
>> means I
>> > > >>>>>> cannot
>> > > >>>>>>> be
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> on
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the Happy Hour/Convention Test at this time.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Fishman via
>> > > >>> Lnc-business
>> > > >>>>>> <
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We've set up a Virtual Convention Hall in Zoom, and we'd
>> > > >>> like
>> > > >>>>>> to
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> join us
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there for a drink!
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Come see our iterative process and see how we've improved
>> > > >>> over
>> > > >>>>>> our
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> last
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt. We're not conducting any business.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> There is a richer registration and approval process -- a
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> mock credentialing done by volunteers. You'll see when
>> you
>> > > >>>>>> sign up
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> that
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> we're asking many more questions in your registration
>> > > >>> process,
>> > > >>>>>> and
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> then
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> we
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate your answers to those questions before we
>> decide to
>> > > >>>>>> let
>> > > >>>>>>> you
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> enter
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the main room.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming you pass our mock credentialing (and you will!)
>> > > >>>>>> you'll be
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> in the
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> main hall, where we will be drinking and having a good
>> time!
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the invitation:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll also be sending this to the State Chairs for them to
>> > > >>> send
>> > > >>>>>> to
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> their
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> delegation. Eventually we'll limit participation to only
>> > > >>>>>> people on
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> official delegate list, but for now we're just looking at
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> functionality.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You are invited to Libertarian Party Happy Hour in a
>> Virtual
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Convention
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hall
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> When: May 8, 2020 05:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We're going to explore some new possibilities with a
>> virtual
>> > > >>>>>> hall
>> > > >>>>>>> and
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> breakout rooms.  Bring the recreation relaxer of your
>> choice
>> > > >>>>>> and
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> join us
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for a conversation!
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Register in advance for this meeting:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZUvc-CtrjIvGtJYGs8cySuCapOYED18MMWY
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> After registering, you will receive a confirmation email
>> > > >>>>>>> containing
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> information about joining the meeting.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Fishman
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The Libertarian Party
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> *Whitney Bilyeu*
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Region 7 Representative
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 281.433.4966
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> LP.ORG
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT,
>> > WA,
>> > > >>>>>> WY)
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
>> > > >>>>>>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
>> > > >>>>>>>>> 931.538.9300
>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > > >>>>>> Syndrome
>> > > >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
>> inter-personal
>> > > >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
>> arenas.  If
>> > > >>>>>> anyone
>> > > >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > > >>> social
>> > > >>>>>>> faux
>> > > >>>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > >>>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>> --
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> > > >>> Syndrome
>> > > >>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > >>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
>> If
>> > > >>>>>> anyone
>> > > >>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> > > social
>> > > >>>>>> faux
>> > > >>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >>
>> > > >> *In Liberty,*
>> > > >>
>> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> > anyone
>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> > > faux
>> > > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> > --
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>>
>