[Lnc-business] Join Us for LP Happy Hour in a Virtual Convention Hall

Sat May 9 05:13:45 EDT 2020

I am repeating your prior instructions to staff when they were given access
to the list.  Very well.  And since I repeated that once, I find your
definition of interminable curious.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 3:04 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:

> Dear Ms. Harlos,
>
> With all due respect, your opinions about who is and isn't allowed to
> speak, what they are allowed to say, and how they are allowed to respond to
> your emails are exactly that: opinions.  They become no more persuasive
> than they are with interminable repetition.
>
> Yours truly,
> Nick
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:58 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I was only refer to Ms. Desisto.  My question was only to Mr. Fishman,
> and
> > my language was only to him.  I certainly expected HIM to respond.  Ms.
> > DeSisto was not entailed in any way.
> >
> > *In Liberty,*
> >
> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:44 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Ms. Harlos,
> >>
> >> If LNC members are going to refer directly to staff members and complain
> >> about staff members on the LNC Business list, it is unfair for those
> >> _SAME_
> >> LNC members to object to staff members respectfully responding on the
> LNC
> >> Business list. Especially when those references use intemperate language
> >> and cast aspersions.
> >>
> >> Yours in liberty,
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:18 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The LNC list is not the place for staff to be chiming in to debates.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:15 PM Tara DeSisto <tara at lphq.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Dan has been killing himself for the LP and maintaining a really
> >> positive
> >> > > attitude and sense of purpose through it all. I know we are not
> >> suppose
> >> > to
> >> > > have opinions on staff but sometimes it’s important to see a staff
> >> > > perspective.
> >> > >
> >> > > We are working hard and are working to be proud of the work we
> >> produce.
> >> > We
> >> > > know how important all of these things are because it is all we do
> >> and we
> >> > > are required to produce results and not opinion. These are tests
> runs
> >> and
> >> > > we have a limited staff working to adapt to the work life balance of
> >> > > COVID’s impact on American Liberties and the urgency of convention
> in
> >> a
> >> > > Presidential year. We didn’t sign up for all nighters, but we are
> here
> >> > for
> >> > > the party.
> >> > >
> >> > > I hope the LNC continues to support us in the work we do.
> >> > >
> >> > > -Tara
> >> > >
> >> > > > On May 8, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I had the normal Happy Hour already scheduled for 5pm, I had
> >> > Libertarian
> >> > > > Candidate Hour on LPTV at 8pm. I thought I'd like to have
> something
> >> to
> >> > > > report before the LNC meeting tomorrow, I gave everyone as much
> >> notice
> >> > > as I
> >> > > > possibly could have. I don't know how else to answer your question
> >> as
> >> > to
> >> > > > why I could not give more notice. I also want to complete this as
> >> fast
> >> > > as I
> >> > > > possibly can, while delivering a quality product.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > One of the reasons for the slowness in getting in was scale. Today
> >> it
> >> > was
> >> > > > just me, Mat and Tyler running everything.  I talked with Emily
> >> > Salvette
> >> > > > and Susan Hogarth and we believe with the credentials committee
> >> running
> >> > > > credentialing we'll be much faster.  If this is the way (and I'm
> not
> >> > > > convinced it's the best technical path, but once we got it going
> it
> >> > > showed
> >> > > > promise) we'd run it with many more producers/facilitators.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The essence of the bottleneck was that I had 2 jobs. Mat was the
> >> > producer
> >> > > > in the main delegation hall, Tyler ran "credentials"  I was the
> >> > architect
> >> > > > and traffic director, setting up the hall and the rooms, moving
> >> > > > "uncredentialed" people to credentials, and then credentialed
> >> people to
> >> > > the
> >> > > > delegate hall. And of course I was tech support.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I was also the person processing the submitted forms and sending
> out
> >> > the
> >> > > > confirmations.  When the rush got big at 5, I had to stop
> processing
> >> > > forms
> >> > > > because there was a ton of traffic.  Tyler was magnificent in
> >> > > > "credentialling" though.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Then I thought we'd cleared the decks, and Tyler sent me a text
> from
> >> > > > Richard and I went back to look at registrants and there were 80
> >> more.
> >> > > So
> >> > > > we processed them too.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > But let me be clear -- all we're doing here is testing software.
> >> Every
> >> > > > trial the process gets better.  We're still not ready for a
> >> rehearsal,
> >> > > let
> >> > > > alone a dress rehearsal. Considering this blistering pace -- two
> >> user
> >> > > > facing demos in 4 days?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > But this is TESTING. The entire point of this is that things are
> >> > SUPPOSED
> >> > > > to go wrong. The user experience is going to be terrible in spots.
> >> I'm
> >> > > very
> >> > > > appreciative of everyone wanting to help out with testing -- but
> >> > testing
> >> > > > SUCKS.  QA (quality assurance) can't be neglected though, so I am
> a
> >> > > > believer in test test test and test again.  Get in as many tests
> as
> >> > > > possible as fast as possible. People who want to help things get
> >> better
> >> > > > should jump in and help by participating in tests, and bring
> >> patience.
> >> > > > People who want a smooth and happy experience shouldn't be
> involved
> >> at
> >> > > this
> >> > > > level.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > And my intent is to keep testing and getting better. And I promise
> >> when
> >> > > we
> >> > > > get to the point that I've got something I think is serviceable
> >> we'll
> >> > > have
> >> > > > MUCH bigger and more structured tests. Till then I intend to keep
> >> > moving
> >> > > as
> >> > > > fast as I can from a technical stand point, and notifying the LNC
> as
> >> > soon
> >> > > > as I can about the next trial.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My #1 priority is the highest quality solution as fast as I can
> >> deliver
> >> > > > it.
> >> > > > ---
> >> > > > Daniel Fishman
> >> > > > Executive Director
> >> > > > The Libertarian Party
> >> > > > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:15 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >> > > caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> That really didn’t answer my question.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:55 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
> >> > > >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> I am just learning and testing software as fast as I can and as
> >> soon
> >> > > as I
> >> > > >>> am ready. I am really appreciative that everyone wants to join,
> >> but
> >> > all
> >> > > >>> we're doing is functionality. Nothing official is happening,
> >> Noone is
> >> > > >>> missing out by not being in. I prefer having real members test.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Last night at 2am I had given up on Zoom as a platform -- in
> fact
> >> I
> >> > > posted
> >> > > >>> about it to staff on slack a midnight, but then stuck with it
> for
> >> 2
> >> > > more
> >> > > >>> hours.  Then I had an epiphany sleeping that woke me up, got out
> >> of
> >> > > bed at
> >> > > >>> 6am and started working. At 10am I started testing my ideas, and
> >> was
> >> > > >>> pleased with the results.  At 11 I demoed to LPHQ which some of
> >> you
> >> > > saw in
> >> > > >>> standup, got pretty good feedback. Tweaked a bit, created the
> >> > > environment,
> >> > > >>> sent the notice to the LNC at noon.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Honestly as fast as I could.
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Dan
> >> > > >>> ---
> >> > > >>> Daniel Fishman
> >> > > >>> Executive Director
> >> > > >>> The Libertarian Party
> >> > > >>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:47 PM Daniel Fishman <
> >> dan.fishman at lphq.org>
> >> > > >>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>> Sorry 7:30
> >> > > >>>> ---
> >> > > >>>> Daniel Fishman
> >> > > >>>> Executive Director
> >> > > >>>> The Libertarian Party
> >> > > >>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:47 PM Daniel Fishman <
> >> dan.fishman at lphq.org
> >> > >
> >> > > >>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> It ended at 7pm
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> ---
> >> > > >>>>> Daniel Fishman
> >> > > >>>>> Executive Director
> >> > > >>>>> The Libertarian Party
> >> > > >>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:28 PM Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
> >> > > >>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> I want to clarify I registered late, so I'm patiently
> awaiting
> >> a
> >> > > link
> >> > > >>> at
> >> > > >>>>>> this time
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> On May 8, 2020 6:27 PM, Erin Adams <erin.adams at lp.org>
> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> Registered but still have not received the link
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> On May 8, 2020 5:10 PM, Phillip Anderson via Lnc-business <
> >> > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> Now 'I Drink Alone' by George Thorogood is in my head...
> and
> >> > now
> >> > > >>> all
> >> > > >>>>>> of
> >> > > >>>>>> yours. You're welcome.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 5:05 PM john.phillips--- via
> >> Lnc-business <
> >> > > >>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> I know i got a call from a couple as well
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> John Phillips
> >> > > >>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
> >> > > >>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> On May 8, 2020 4:46 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> >> > > >>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> Thank you Mr Wendt.
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> And I am reading on the state chairs list that some of them
> >> are
> >> > > very
> >> > > >>>>>> upset
> >> > > >>>>>>> too.
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> Why was the promise of more notice broken?  What was the
> >> urgent
> >> > > need
> >> > > >>>>>> to do
> >> > > >>>>>>> this TONIGHT.
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
> >> > > >>>>>> caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> >> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> I am talking about the convention credentialling test.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> I’m well aware of the happy hour.  I want an answer to the
> >> > other.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:21 PM Richard Longstreth <
> >> > > >>>>>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> We do happy hour events every Friday...
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via
> >> > Lnc-business
> >> > > >>> <
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Mr. Fishman, can you explain why you set this up for
> today
> >> > > >>> rather
> >> > > >>>>>> than
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> give
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> us more notice?  It seemed that last time we were
> promised
> >> > more
> >> > > >>>>>>> notice,
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> yet
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> here we are and I want to know why.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> >> Asperger's
> >> > > >>>>>> Syndrome
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >> inter-personal
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >> arenas.
> >> > If
> >> > > >>>>>>> anyone
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> >> other
> >> > > >>>>>> social
> >> > > >>>>>>> faux
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:14 PM Whitney Bilyeu via
> >> > Lnc-business <
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, I am still working. Unfortunately, that
> >> means I
> >> > > >>>>>> cannot
> >> > > >>>>>>> be
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> on
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the Happy Hour/Convention Test at this time.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Fishman via
> >> > > >>> Lnc-business
> >> > > >>>>>> <
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We've set up a Virtual Convention Hall in Zoom, and
> we'd
> >> > > >>> like
> >> > > >>>>>> to
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> join us
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> there for a drink!
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Come see our iterative process and see how we've
> improved
> >> > > >>> over
> >> > > >>>>>> our
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> last
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt. We're not conducting any business.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> There is a richer registration and approval process --
> a
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> mock credentialing done by volunteers. You'll see when
> >> you
> >> > > >>>>>> sign up
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> that
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> we're asking many more questions in your registration
> >> > > >>> process,
> >> > > >>>>>> and
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> then
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> we
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate your answers to those questions before we
> >> decide to
> >> > > >>>>>> let
> >> > > >>>>>>> you
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> enter
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the main room.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming you pass our mock credentialing (and you
> will!)
> >> > > >>>>>> you'll be
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> in the
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> main hall, where we will be drinking and having a good
> >> time!
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the invitation:
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll also be sending this to the State Chairs for them
> to
> >> > > >>> send
> >> > > >>>>>> to
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> their
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> delegation. Eventually we'll limit participation to
> only
> >> > > >>>>>> people on
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> official delegate list, but for now we're just looking
> at
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> functionality.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> You are invited to Libertarian Party Happy Hour in a
> >> Virtual
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> Convention
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hall
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> When: May 8, 2020 05:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> We're going to explore some new possibilities with a
> >> virtual
> >> > > >>>>>> hall
> >> > > >>>>>>> and
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> breakout rooms.  Bring the recreation relaxer of your
> >> choice
> >> > > >>>>>> and
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>> join us
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for a conversation!
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Register in advance for this meeting:
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZUvc-CtrjIvGtJYGs8cySuCapOYED18MMWY
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> After registering, you will receive a confirmation
> email
> >> > > >>>>>>> containing
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> information about joining the meeting.
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Fishman
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The Libertarian Party
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> *Whitney Bilyeu*
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Region 7 Representative
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 281.433.4966
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> LP.ORG
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> --
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Richard Longstreth
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR,
> UT,
> >> > WA,
> >> > > >>>>>> WY)
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> >> > > >>>>>>>>> 931.538.9300
> >> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> --
> >> > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >> > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> Asperger's
> >> > > >>>>>> Syndrome
> >> > > >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> >> inter-personal
> >> > > >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic
> >> arenas.  If
> >> > > >>>>>> anyone
> >> > > >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> other
> >> > > >>> social
> >> > > >>>>>>> faux
> >> > > >>>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > > >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> --
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as
> Asperger's
> >> > > >>> Syndrome
> >> > > >>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect
> inter-personal
> >> > > >>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
> >> If
> >> > > >>>>>> anyone
> >> > > >>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
> other
> >> > > social
> >> > > >>>>>> faux
> >> > > >>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> *In Liberty,*
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
> >> Syndrome
> >> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> >> > anyone
> >> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
> >> social
> >> > > faux
> >> > > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > *In Liberty,*
> >> >
> >> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> >> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> >> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
> anyone
> >> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
> >> faux
> >> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
> >> >
> >>
> >
>