[Lnc-business] Seeking cosponsors - convention motion

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

EVH, I think your point has merit.  If this motion passes, I would re-offer
the Erin Adams compromise motion or something very similar unless someone
convinces me that would be unwise.

>From what I hear from what happened tonight - not the things that will be
fixed with practices - but with the inherent flaws that make this NOT a
deliberative process and our chair's comments about points of order and
parliamentary inquiry, I do not believe we can pull this off and protect
rights.  If that is the route the LNC decides to take, I will respect it
and do my best, but the best at impossible is still impossible.

But we did commit to a compromise.  But our compromise where our chair has
vowed to skuttle it is no compromise.  We need one that cannot be
skuttled by the chair.  Ms. Adams' compromise is far superior.  After
getting some advise, I may be seeking co-sponsors for a concurrent ballot
with this one to expire after it that would adopt the Adams motion.

*In Liberty,*

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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:23 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> Email ballots do not require four co-sponsors from the winning side.  The
> sponsors are like seconds.   I have not decided if I am going to support
> this motion, but I am not going to let it get squashed by procedure.  But
> you are incorrect on the point of order to begin with.  We are not in the
> same session. That requirement for the winning side is only in the same
> session.  A rescind does not require someone on the winning side.  If you
> need the RONR pages, I can provide them.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:48 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I object to this motion.
>>
>> The purpose of the compromise we came to was to accomodate ballot access
>> deadlines and the recognition that a July date made doing so impossible or
>> impractical. Ignoring those concerns is irresponsible and damaging to the
>> Party. Furthermore, we waited too long to make a decision in the first
>> place, this is on us. We all knew well before last weekend that Memorial
>> Day in Texas wasn't going to fly in the current climate, we have noone but
>> ourselves to blame for letting things get to this point with wishful
>> thinking. Its time to stop acting childish, suck it up, and make the best
>> of the situation we're in.
>>
>> On parliamentary grounds, a motion to reconsider is required to be made
>> by a member of the prevailing side, I would argue that an email ballot
>> requires 4 valid cosponsors, and thus would require 4 members from the
>> prevailing side to cosponsor in order to be a valid motion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin O'Donnell
>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>
>> On May 13, 2020 11:04 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> I ask for email ballot co-sponsors for the following motion to:
>>
>> Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
>> meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
>> business conducted online.  Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article
>> 10.1,
>> the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
>> 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
>>
>> I know that I was on the losing side of a 13-4 motion on Saturday,
>> however
>> after tonight's train-wreck and the information I learned during it, I
>> believe that some LNC members from the other side are ready to change
>> course.  If I did not believe that to be the case, I would not offer this
>> motion.  To preserve options for the LNC, given the 7-day voting period
>> for
>> an email ballot, I want to start this motion now so that it can complete
>> by
>> next Wednesday.
>>
>> I will have a LOT to say about this soon, as will others, but my first
>> focus is getting the co-sponsors.  Then we can debate.
>>
>> -Alicia
>>
>>
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