[Lnc-business] Seeking cosponsors - convention motion

Thu May 14 00:28:58 EDT 2020

Mr. Phillips we can concurrently offer the Adams compromise that would be a
ballot that expires concurrently with this one or one day later.

*In Liberty,*

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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:28 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
wrote:

> EVH, I think your point has merit.  If this motion passes, I
> would re-offer the Erin Adams compromise motion or something very similar
> unless someone convinces me that would be unwise.
>
> From what I hear from what happened tonight - not the things that will be
> fixed with practices - but with the inherent flaws that make this NOT a
> deliberative process and our chair's comments about points of order and
> parliamentary inquiry, I do not believe we can pull this off and protect
> rights.  If that is the route the LNC decides to take, I will respect it
> and do my best, but the best at impossible is still impossible.
>
> But we did commit to a compromise.  But our compromise where our chair has
> vowed to skuttle it is no compromise.  We need one that cannot be
> skuttled by the chair.  Ms. Adams' compromise is far superior.  After
> getting some advise, I may be seeking co-sponsors for a concurrent ballot
> with this one to expire after it that would adopt the Adams motion.
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:23 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Email ballots do not require four co-sponsors from the winning side.  The
>> sponsors are like seconds.   I have not decided if I am going to support
>> this motion, but I am not going to let it get squashed by procedure.  But
>> you are incorrect on the point of order to begin with.  We are not in the
>> same session. That requirement for the winning side is only in the same
>> session.  A rescind does not require someone on the winning side.  If you
>> need the RONR pages, I can provide them.
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:48 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I object to this motion.
>>>
>>> The purpose of the compromise we came to was to accomodate ballot access
>>> deadlines and the recognition that a July date made doing so impossible or
>>> impractical. Ignoring those concerns is irresponsible and damaging to the
>>> Party. Furthermore, we waited too long to make a decision in the first
>>> place, this is on us. We all knew well before last weekend that Memorial
>>> Day in Texas wasn't going to fly in the current climate, we have noone but
>>> ourselves to blame for letting things get to this point with wishful
>>> thinking. Its time to stop acting childish, suck it up, and make the best
>>> of the situation we're in.
>>>
>>> On parliamentary grounds, a motion to reconsider is required to be made
>>> by a member of the prevailing side, I would argue that an email ballot
>>> requires 4 valid cosponsors, and thus would require 4 members from the
>>> prevailing side to cosponsor in order to be a valid motion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin O'Donnell
>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2020 11:04 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>>> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I ask for email ballot co-sponsors for the following motion to:
>>>
>>> Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
>>> meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
>>> business conducted online.  Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article
>>> 10.1,
>>> the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
>>> 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
>>>
>>> I know that I was on the losing side of a 13-4 motion on Saturday,
>>> however
>>> after tonight's train-wreck and the information I learned during it, I
>>> believe that some LNC members from the other side are ready to change
>>> course.  If I did not believe that to be the case, I would not offer
>>> this
>>> motion.  To preserve options for the LNC, given the 7-day voting period
>>> for
>>> an email ballot, I want to start this motion now so that it can complete
>>> by
>>> next Wednesday.
>>>
>>> I will have a LOT to say about this soon, as will others, but my first
>>> focus is getting the co-sponsors.  Then we can debate.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
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