[Lnc-business] Regional meetings

[Caryn Ann Harlos]

It is more the principle of the thing I would appeal rather than any
hardship.  Sets a bad precedent and does over-ride the decision of the LNC
that the only thing that is to be dealt with this weekend is our top ticket
nominations.

*In Liberty,*

* Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
(part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *



On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:06 AM Richard Longstreth <
richard.longstreth at lp.org> wrote:

> The only reason I did not appeal was because I already had it in the
> works. Region 1 would have lost their you no whats if pre-work on the
> agreement and discussion had not already been in progress. If the
> expectation is that new regional reps are named by Saturday, I will rise
> and appeal that in a second.
>
> I also want to note that this has not been too much for me, however I can
> certainly understand how it can be stressful if the process was not begun
> early and I will stand with any calls for an appeal from any of my fellow
> regionals, I however, will not be initiating that.
>
> Richard Longstreth
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
> Libertarian National Committee
> richard.longstreth at lp.org
> 931.538.9300
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020, 06:50 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> *edit to correct
>>
>> I did not mean to imply that Richard Longstreth should appeal.  It is a
>> judgment call.  I simply meant that if I were a current regional, I would
>> appeal.  However, I can see both sides.
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:49 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos at lp.org
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I would still really suggest asking for a ruling.  Mr. Sarwark is known
>> to
>> > disagree with myself and Ms. Mattson on occasion.  I personally did not
>> > agree with his ruling that the agreements were due this weekend.  this
>> > weekend was a narrow carve out for one purpose - the presidential and
>> > vice-presdential nominations and thus have nothing to do with the LNC
>> > elections of any kind.  However, no regional challenged his ruling, and
>> I
>> > do enough challenges.  I figured if you guys are not objecting, who am
>> I to
>> > object.   If I were region 1 I would be appealing that ruling.
>> >
>> > *In Liberty,*
>> >
>> > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
>> > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If anyone
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
>> faux
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:11 AM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business <
>> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So, if the region is formed by the 23rd (this Saturday), can the region
>> >> rep
>> >> be selected at the in-person in July?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020, 3:02 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
>> >> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The good news is that we don't have to guess.  Bylaws and Convention
>> >> Rules
>> >> > answer all of these questions.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bylaw 7.2.c - Regions must be formed by the 2nd day of the
>> convention,
>> >> but
>> >> > the paperwork giving notice of the region formation must be given to
>> the
>> >> > Secretary prior to the close of the convention.  If the convention
>> >> finishes
>> >> > out in Orlando, then that's the close of the convention.
>> >> >
>> >> > Bylaw 7.3 - "The National Committee shall take office immediately
>> upon
>> >> the
>> >> > close of the Regular Convention at which they are selected, and serve
>> >> until
>> >> > the final adjournment of the next Regular Convention."
>> >> >
>> >> > LNC terms begin and end at the final adjournment of conventions.
>> >> >
>> >> > The reason the CA operates differently is that they have 10% by
>> >> themselves,
>> >> > are entitled to a region rep by themselves, and always make regional
>> >> > agreements that give them control of who their rep is, and regional
>> >> > agreements which establish the rules for replacing the rep as being
>> the
>> >> CA
>> >> > affiliate bylaws. Then the CA bylaws say that the CA convention
>> elects
>> >> the
>> >> > region rep and that newly elected person immediately replaces the
>> >> > previously elected one, essentially removing a rep when they please
>> and
>> >> > appointing a replacement to finish out the remainder of what the
>> >> national
>> >> > bylaws consider to be a normal term.  See Bylaw 7.8 which allows the
>> >> region
>> >> > control over removing/replacing region reps when and how they please
>> so
>> >> > long as they spell out the procedure.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Alicia
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
>> >> > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > I think this is a very gray area.  you may want to get a ruling
>> from
>> >> the
>> >> > > chair.  I would put everything you want in the agreement - and I
>> would
>> >> > not
>> >> > > assume that the reps take office - as Sam said - in Orlando.  I
>> >> actually
>> >> > > think the opposite is true unless that is set out in the agreement.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You cannot be wrong by specifying each thing in the agreement.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > *In Liberty,*
>> >> > >
>> >> > > * Personal Note:  I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
>> Syndrome
>> >> > > (part of the autism spectrum).  This can affect inter-personal
>> >> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.  If
>> >> anyone
>> >> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
>> social
>> >> faux
>> >> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 6:43 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <
>> >> > > lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Heh, you can get in trouble for even thinking these days!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ---
>> >> > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> >> > > > Libertarian National Committee
>> >> > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On 2020-05-19 20:40, john.phillips at lp.org wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Kinda what I was thinking, but I get myself in trouble
>> assuming,
>> >> so
>> >> > was
>> >> > > > hoping for an official answer
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > John Phillips
>> >> > > > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >> > > > > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On May 19, 2020 7:30 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein at lp.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > The new regional reps don't take office until the post
>> convention
>> >> LNC
>> >> > > > meeting so I would assume you can have your election at Orlando.
>> >> Also
>> >> > > > there is a chance the JC might change to regional representation
>> if
>> >> > that
>> >> > > > Bylaw passes and that person would also have to be elected.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > ---
>> >> > > > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
>> >> > > > > Libertarian National Committee
>> >> > > > > 317-850-0726 Cell
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On 2020-05-19 20:14, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
>> >> > > > > Question for clarity.
>> >> > > > > Regional agreements need to be done on/by saturday.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Do regional elections as well? Or -presuming we don't change
>> >> > anything -
>> >> > > > are those not due until we do other lnc elections?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > John Phillips
>> >> > > > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
>> >> > > > > Cell 217-412-5973
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
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