[Lnc-business] Email from LP national ED-Not good message

[Alicia Mattson]

I also wanted to tack Bylaw Article 10.4.e onto my email, which is about
how list changes are handled after the final Credentials Committee meeting:

"By seven-eighths vote, the Convention may approve additional delegates and
alternates whose names and addresses are submitted to the Credentials
Committee during the Convention."

-Alicia


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:08 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson at lp.org>
wrote:

> I am confused about how some delegations are making changes to their lists
> at this point.  We were told that the final Credentials Committee meeting
> prior to this weekend's event was on Sunday afternoon.
>
> Bylaw Article 10.4.c:  " A list of the names and addresses of all
> delegates and alternates chosen by each affiliate party shall be sent to
> the Credentials Committee no later than one month prior to start of the
> first general session of the Regular Convention. Amendments to such lists
> may be made by the affiliate parties and submitted to the Credentials
> Committee until the close of the Credentials Committee meeting preceding
> the Convention."
>
> Since that meeting has passed, affiliates should not be making changes to
> their lists.  Updating email addresses and phone numbers is one thing, but
> changing who is on the lists is another.
>
> The chair has said we're going to try to follow our bylaws and rules as
> closely as possible for this weekend's event, but that's just what is said,
> not what is actually done.  It's clear to many of us that the voluntarily
> agreed to rules we have adopted for ourselves will be bulldozed.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:26 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <
> lnc-business at hq.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> Right, I think "whittle down" was the flashpoint, everyone appreciates
>> the practice sessions and the effort to make this work
>>
>> JBH
>>
>> ------------
>> Joe Bishop-Henchman
>> LNC Member (At-Large)
>> joe.bishop-henchman at lp.org
>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
>>
>> On 2020-05-21 13:22, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
>> > Dan Fishman,
>> >
>> > Thank you for replying.
>> >
>> > This language:   "I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the
>> > delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice
>> > sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists."   Is
>> > wrong.
>> >
>> > Nor, does that say "the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and
>> > allows the delegation chair to contact their group."
>> >
>> > Which you could have said.  The difference isn't an inartful phrasing,
>> > but two different meanings.
>> >
>> > I also got a message last night from a different Region 3 delegate, who
>> > said, and they quoted you:
>> >
>> > --------
>> >
>> > 'Fishman just mentioned to an alternate that chairs are "aggressively
>> > kicking people out" and it's possible she'd be promoted to delegate
>> >
>> > In the training I'm in.'
>> >
>> > -----------
>> >
>> > So, what I'm getting is delegates complaining that the LP national ED
>> > is
>> > saying, or implying, that delegates are going to be, or are being,
>> > 'whittled' or 'kicked' from their delegate spots.   This is not a good
>> > look for LP national.  We work for the delegates.  Not the other way
>> > around.   I know you're helping the delegates, and that work is much
>> > appreciated.  The LP should've gone with some professional company,
>> > instead of this DYI on Zoom.  I understand that you have your hands
>> > full
>> > in an effort to make it work.  I understand that you'll, "try to choose
>> > words less ambiguously" in the future regarding our delegates.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > EVH
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Elizabeth Van Horn
>> > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
>> >
>> > On 2020-05-21 12:28, Daniel Fishman wrote:
>> >
>> >> I regret any confusion. The list is compiled based on the list of
>> >> delegates and alternates and then removing the people who have signed
>> >> into a zoom training session.
>> >> Prior to that email we were under 35% attendance. It is true that
>> >> people who attend with a different email address than the one we send
>> >> the zoom got this email -- hence my statement "no one with this email
>> >> address...." It's also true that many people are unaware when they
>> >> sign into zoom with their work email.
>> >>
>> >> I absolutely want people to attend at least one practice session.
>> >> Having done hundreds of tech rollouts, customer training is the
>> >> critical aspect in determining success. I provided the spreadsheet,
>> >> broken up by state, to all the state chairs so they could contact only
>> >> those we saw at risk as having not been to a training and encourage
>> >> them to get training. My comment at the end, perhaps inartfully
>> >> phrased, was meant to indicate that that the spreadsheet makes
>> >> delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact
>> >> their group.
>> >>
>> >> I am doing everything I can to ensure success of the convention, and
>> >> the fewer people we have who are logging into zoom for the very first
>> >> time on Friday, the more successful we will be.
>> >>
>> >> Obviously the lists are controlled by the delegation chairs, and I
>> >> certainly regret that people felt threatened. I am operating at
>> >> breakneck speed, and assumed everyone understood that only states and
>> >> delegation chairs control the lists. I will try to choose words less
>> >> ambiguously.
>> >>
>> >> Please encourage everyone who hasn't been to a zoom training yet to
>> >> get to the one this afternoon.
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Daniel Fishman
>> >> Executive Director
>> >> The Libertarian Party
>> >> Join Us [1]
>> >
>> >
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